• Jaysyn@lemmy.world
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    MTG very obviously doesn’t really believe in the religion she claims to follow.

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      Most Republicans don’t. Never have in my lifetime, honestly, but with how hard they fight these days against e.g. feeding the hungry and treating the sick, it’s more glaringly obvious than ever.

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      She hated him because he was at least a little ok with some LGBT.

      I hated him for being the leader of one of the biggest, most corrupt organizations ever to exist on the planet.

      We are (fucking definitely) not the same.

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    If God exists, then why does he destroy the faith of millions by allowing MTG to live?

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    Americans - is the consensus of MTG that she actually believes the grift? Obviously the likes of Vance just say whatever wins the room, but she always gave me the impression that she believes every word of maniacal conspiracy she tweets.

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      She’s a woman that has learned that she can get away with anything, as long as she behaves badly enough. She doesn’t need to believe it, though she probably does, she knows that is a strategy that works to avoid consequences.

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      How dare you insinuate that JD VANCE KILLED THE POPE, there isnt a single shred of evidence that JD VANCE KILLED THE POPE. Id like to see anyone claiming or even hinting that JD VANCE KILLED THE POPE take their evidence straight to Interpol so that it can be disproven categorically by trained experts that JD VANCE KILLED THE POPE.

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      The poor pontiff wasn’t used to being face-to-face with that level of evil and egotism. And he didn’t think Vance would try to strangle him: “A message from Ratzinger! Bwahaha!”

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      “Never forget in the story of Jesus, the hero was killed by the state” - Killer Mike.

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        Jesus, who came back from the dead? Like a zombie? Zombie Jesus is lord. I worship a zombie cult? I need to rethink my life.

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          It’s well known that since he came back from the dead but he didn’t decay or lose intelligence or anything, that Jesus was a lich.

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      fun fact… killing jesus was always god’s plan. god set adam and eve up in the garden specifically so he could LARP as a Nice Guy™. In fact, not killing jesus would have condemned humanity to eternal suffering, and therefore would have been sin. Not that anyone had a choice, because it’s all part of god’s plan, right, and god’s plan always comes to fruition.

      If you believe in that sort of thing.

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    Should we tell her there’ll be another Pope, or is it funnier to let her keep believing?

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      She was likely against the somewhat liberal views of Pope Francis, like how Christians should be kind to gay people and refugees.

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        Even the pope is just a church organ. I meant, his “policy” if you will was more than just his own. It’s doubtful that Vance’s visit (I will run with the idea*) will bring forth a more conservative pope.

        * “Rep. Nancy Mace (…) bizarrely insisted that a visit by U.S. Vice President JD Vance did not lead to the pope’s death.”

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          It’s highly likely the next pope will be conservative. There are different factions within the Vatican (and the church as a whole) and they get turns putting their guy in the big chair.

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            Francis appointed a majority of the voting cardinals. This isn’t a democracy, where people have groups that lobby in any meaningful way- the Pope is the supreme executive. Like a dictator.

            So either he appointed in a stupid fashion, and the next pope is more conservative, or he appointed wisely, and the voters follow him with someone equally progressive in view.

            (Progressive here, of course, is very, very relative.)

            And to be clear, it’s not like, a slim majority. Of the 135 cardinals who will be voting for the next pope, Francis appointed 108 of them.

            Don’t get me wrong- some of those have been quoted as saying some super backwards shit. But statistically, I would put my bet on “around about the same.”

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        Francis said that judgement should be suspended on gay individuals and theorized a gay cabal in the same sentence. That’s different than being kind to them.

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      I’m very afraid that the next pope will be somebody American catholic bishops would approve of. a trans hating, immigrant-hating asshole who will excuse everything Nazi America does like that one nazi pope did historically

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        Francis appointed most of the college of cardinals, and I find it unlikely he’d appoint someone so ready to buddy with fascism, so we will likely still have a liberal pope.

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        Do you seriously think the Vatican is influenced by MAGA? Or by European far-right elements for that matter?

        It’s no coincidence, no outlier, that the last one was slightly more tolerant on certain issues. (Apparently enough to piss off more than one US christofascist.) I fear MTG will not see God’s plan in whatever follows, either.

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          The American Catholic church hierarchy is reactionary and many of them are allied with MAGA. Think of shit-stains like Alito. Even Vance has converted to Catholicism, and there’s no way a twised fuck like him signed onto anything that promotes compassion or human decency. He’s more likely in it for the smell of incense, the Latin Mass, the Inquisition and the ancient tradition of diddling altar boys.

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          You do realize that there will be American cardinals involved in the voting process, right?

          The Pope himself could end up being from the US.

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          Do you seriously think they’re not?

          Do you really think the cia/nsa doesn’t have compromat? Or that Putin doesn’t?

          Or that rich fucks like musk can’t buy a priest?

          Are you really so confident the organization that made a deliberate effort to protect men who sexually assaulted children is going to do the right thing because it’s the right thing?l

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            Just to be clear, I’m not defending the Catholic Church here. At all. Just calling out USians who think the world revolves around their country.

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              revolves around? no. I don’t think that at all.

              but I do know that roughly 28% of annual contributions come from the US, that the US is fourth on the list of ‘most Catholics’ by total numbers and the vatican would be pretty stupid to ignore those two points. and that is not even coming close to the question of corruption or doctrine.

              Are they going to completely capitulate? probably not, but that doesn’t mean there’s no influence, either. Further, the vatican still opposes trans lifestyles doctrinaly, and Francis was the first pope to emphasize pastoral care over doctrine. It would not be difficult to imagine that conservative voices push back against that shift.

              Thus I’m concerned that the next guy won’t be as supportive of trans as Francis was. Remember, Francis ruffled more than a few feathers with his progressiveness, not just american bishops (who are straight up assholes.)

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        80% of the conclave was appointed by the Pope. I doubt it’s gonnabe a radical chnge in the Vatican.

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        Francis appointed most of the college of cardinals so more than likely we will get another woke pope. Hopefully this one is even woker.

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      But the next pope may be far more conservative than Francis, who by Catholic Church standards was unusually liberal.

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    Not that i believe in heaven or hell but if they did exist im pretty sure the pope gonna be aight

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    If it were true that God defeats evil, Empty Greene would be a smouldering pile of ashes at a crossroads by now.

    Karma is what we make it. The world don’t care.