The SCOTUS justices who voted to make the president a king should’ve been dropped in a black site immediately upon that decision coming out, but Biden didn’t have the fortitude or vision to protect the country from fascism.
Listening to this blonde reincarnation of Ri Chun-hee is … interesting. So close, she should wear pink. They did show a short statement by her on the BBC, and I counted more lies than sentences. Amazing.
Federal judges can deputize people and make them US Marshals to execute warrants. The federal judges could also send people to arrest Trump. They don’t have the balls to do it, but its legal.
The federal judges could also send people to arrest Trump.
No, they cannot, because federal authorities won’t prosecute a sitting US President. Only the House, by way of Impeachment, and the Senate, by way of conviction can anything be done about Trump now.
Additionally, SCOTUS gave the President total immunity when it comes to “official actions” which is not at all defined in any capacity, so the interpretation is up in the air. All’s Trump has to do is argue that these are official actions and nothing can feasibly be done.
So he demands a sitting supreme court justice be arrested and they are. It goes to court and its found Trump can’t do that. The judge is released, and nothing happens to Trump at all. So he tries again. And again. And again. Until he’s finally successful.
Roe v. Wade was considered the law of the land and no one ever thought it could ever be overturned. Republicans tried for over 50 years to get it reversed which everyone agreed was a fools errand. And then they did… Just because something can’t happen doesn’t mean it really can’t happen.
3 things:
First off, you literally started an argument explaining that something can’t happen, then ended it by saying that something that can’t happen can happen, and that hurts my brain a bit.
Secondly, one reason reason a judge can deputize people is for cases where the executive branch or law enforcement has gone rogue and they need to enforce the law outside of the regular channels.
Third, the whole “Can’t arrest or charge a sitting President for any crime” thing isn’t a law, but a justice department policy. Deputized law enforcement and prosecutors from outside of the justice department wouldn’t be bound by that policy.
It’s not even a policy, it’s a literal post it note memo with no known author.
only Congress has that authority through impeachment, a sitting president is immune to indictment
That is a DoJ POLICY, not a law, nor is it in the Constitution. It has never really been tested, everybody has just gone along with it all these years. SCOTUS gave the president immunity, but with a loophole: it has to be part of his presidential duties. It could be argued that arresting opponents for doing their Constitutionally-mandated jobs is NOT within the President’s duties, and therefore he would not be immune. Same with doing things like ordering the military to fire on American protesters exercising their 1st Amendment rights. It will be up to SCOTUS to decide, and they’ve already shown that they wont rubber-stamp his nonsense.
If he starts arresting SCOTUS justices, they arent likely to find in his favor for ANYTHING.
Policies inform how the law and system works. The DOJ can change that policy, but since it is essentially under the control of the sitting president, that won’t happen.
I think you misunderstand the power dynamic, the president controls the military and if he starts to arrest SCOTUS justices, I don’t think the SCOTUS rulings will matter any more, they won’t have any way to enforce their rulings that will stand up to the de facto power the president has.
The SCOTUS rulings are already being ignored by this administration on other decisions that were made by them, so you could say we’re already past that.
Supreme Courts around the world have found all sorts of ways of exercising power. They can deputize citizen volunteers to serve as temporary court enforcers. They can outright order the military to stand down and arrest the president. Hell, they could dig into the ancient tradition and declare the president an outlaw - literally outside the protection of the law, making it legal for anyone to straight-up kill the guy.
Arrest them for corruption, perhaps? (He said hopefully)
Of course not. Only for disagreeing with him or not supporting his illegal crackdown on Americans he doesn’t like.
did you watch the video with the exchange?
I don’t understand how the scotus didn’t see this coming. What do dictators hate? Anyone who has any possible power over them, so what do dictators do? Arrest or kill any possibility of opposition and number one was always gonna be scotus. They killed themselves
See, the thing is that conservatives always believe that they’re deeper into the in group than they really are. They can’t imagine themselves as part of the out group. Quick example, about five years back, I had a fox news addicted co-worker bitching at me about millennials. I was like “bro, we’re in our thirties, we’re not kids anymore”, because he and I are both the same age, and both millennials. He looked like I just slapped him and said “no, I am NOT a millennial”, so, because I physically cannot stop myself from arguing with anyone about anything, I spent five minutes proving to him that he was, in fact, a millennial. He put up the WOKE FAKE NEWStm defenses, cleared recent history, and was back to griping about millennials before the day was out, still supporting things that hurt millennials and not daring the imagine that Fox News could possibly be talking about him. He’s the child of immigrants, he’s got his citizenship by his dad being born here and him being born here. He supports rounding up brown people and ending birthright citizenship because he’ll still believe right down to his core that they’re not talking about him even as they’re loading him into the box cars.
I would say it’s a crisis of empathy, but I’m not sure that’s completely true. I’m not going to fight people on Lemmy about it, but I personally know my own share of conservative people who have no problem with empathy (and many who do have a problem with it, in fairness). I think it’s a distinct phenomenon that they really do believe that it could never happen to them, or to anyone who doesn’t “deserve it”. I’ve encountered that kind of circular logic quite a bit, where if their policies hurt you, it’s probably because you deserved it, and their policies can’t possibly hurt them because they know they don’t deserve it.
A lot of it comes down to the Just World Fallacy
They believe that, fundamentally, the world is just and good (mostly that stems from religion and a just “god”, but not always). This means that when something bad happens, they assume the person must have deserved it, because bad things don’t happen to good people. They also believe they are a good person, and therefore bad things won’t happen to them. When something bad DOES happen to them, they start screaming from the rooftops that some radical injustice has occurred and somebody needs to do something to make it right! Completely unaware of the fact that nobody from their “tribe” will believe them, because the fact that something bad happened to them meant they must have been a bad person who deserved it.
They believe the law is always on the side of good, despite much evidence to the contrary, and the mere fact that the law can be changed making it intrinsically not a moral absolute.
I know quite a few spanish speaking people here who are hyper conservative. In general latin america is a greatly more conservative place than the US, so it’s kind of amazing seeing the conservatives here targeting them.
Poorer immigrants usually work in conservative spaces for poverty wages especially if they are not fluent in English, but the conservatives want to kick them out and start the white breeding programs to get some more white homegrown poverty cases going in red states.
I know that central Americans are very socially conservative; in general, that’s the way with rural people. I also know that there’s an economic left undercurrent that’s been present for a long time; it’s why the CIA overthrew the Guatemalan government for United Fruit and sponsored reactionary militias to go around murdering people and torching villages. I think that the right wing of the US never really forgave central America for “making us” (massive sarcasm quotes) destabilize their governments. The other half of that is that we’ve basically caused this crisis in our back yard, which is kind of the opposite problem to modern Russia. Where the USSR built up, modernized, and industrialized the countries it had direct control/ influence over, the US has done everything possible to keep central and south America down, so now you end up with Russia eager to reclaim (by any means) the valuable parts of the USSR that fell away in the 90s, and the US eager to keep out the people fleeing the shit we’ve been flinging over the wall for the better part of a hundred years.
Go do it then. Show America what they voted for.
They want us to riot so bad. They are foaming at the mouth trying to justify enacting Martial Law and every day it feels like its more and more inevitable that we will end up there. Either they are going to keep violating the constitution and getting away with it until they don’t need to enact it, or eventually shit hits the fan at a protest. I don’t see any other option at this point. They are taunting us, and it’s going to work eventually.
You are 100% correct, that is definitely the plan. Have the RedHats instigate violence, then call in the military to quell the violence with even more ferocious violence, and Hegseth will definitely give the order to fire on American citizens. It will be like Tiananmen Square, but in cities all over America. Once he has declared Martial Law, he can suspend elections until peace is restored, and since he will control the peace.
The 2026 midterms are shaping up to be a bloodbath, and he can’t afford to lost one or both chambers to the Democrats, where they can have control of investigative committees, with subpoena and arrest powers.
So he has to time it right, so the courts and SCOTUS wont have time to react before election day. That means next summer/fall. By then, Luigi’s trial will be in play, many more activities will be criminalized, he will have sent Americans to El Salvador, the first stage of the 30,000 bed facility in Gitmo may be open (or soon), he will have imprisoned political opponents, store shelves will be empty, other goods will be tripled in price, we’ll be in a deep recession, there will be food shortages, etc. Anything is possible, but it will all add up to public outrage like we have never seen, and he will take full advantage of it to end our system of government, and become a one more incompetent Dictator.
Then it’s on.
NAIL ON THE HEAD.
the ironic thing is that the us govt has done a ton of studies on the ‘breaking point of society’. but they’re not science bros, so they’re just gonna do it their way.
even the canada thing. he’s literally costing himself a canadian conservative govt that was all-but guaranteed. but he doesn’t want that with canada; he just wants (edit-typo) manufactured conflict.
but you’re absolutely right. he’s doing everything he can to cause riots so that he can enact “marshall” law and crack down once and for all. my god, why can’t my american neigbours all see it?
Update. That election ultimately did end up in a conservative loss. In no small part to the trump attitudes on geopolitics and the nonexistent “culture war”
i just wrote a whole fucking paragraph, hit send, and it disappeared. i need to remember to write my shit in a text editor when i’m on lemmy.
i defy anyone to show me any other reason that this historic swing solely due to the actions of one particular idiot.
i went on in my first draft to describe how politics in canada still have some nuance, and that this was an indication that TONS of people who were ready to kick red to the curb had to hold their noses to vote for our sovereignty.
but - to me - this shouldn’t be the way things should be going. i agree with a lot of people in that the liberal party really needed a reckoning. if harris won in the us, i’d have been fine with a conservative pm. but pp definitely didn’t do himself any favours, either, and it would have been a lot of OTHER people holding their noses to vote pc. hell, i’ve been impressed with doug ford lately, and i didn’t think i’d ever say that.
so now that i’ve typed this up in xed, we’ll see how many tries it takes to get it to stick. my guess, given my luck, is that it’ll work on the fucking first try now.
Yay Canada
not science bros, so they’re just gonna do it their way.
i just think they’re petulant children with absolutely no self control
trump literally as old as he is right now would take the marshmallow in the stanford marshmallow experiment, and then try and convince someone that you stole his other marshmallow
“marshall” law.
“I dub thee Sir Phobos, beater of ass.”
that’s martian law, barbeaubot
More jut! It don’t mean butt if it don’t got that jut.
are we playing “guess the reference”?
I don’t think they want it. Numbers aren’t in their favor. We aren’t remotely close to Russian or Chinese levels of generational suppression.
But they likely don’t know they don’t want it. They assume they will get absolute power one way or the other because China, Russia, Saudi Arabia, North Korea, etc have absolute power in their state.
I doubt the Tiananmen Square massacre would have been nearly as effective with the speed at which information flows nowadays. Sure - major corporate media can suppress as much as it can, but millions of people were able to turn out for protests quickly, and think of how fast we all found out about the arrest of two judges.
Against any totalitarian government, the most effective weapon is information, followed closely by communication. I am willing to bet that there isn’t code sitting on our phones waiting for the government to just shut it all down.
This means we should encourage more and more people to join Lemmy, Bluesky etc., install Linux and donate to Wikipedia.
When Musk first mentioned something along the lines of Wikipedia=bad my annual donation turned monthly.
I also started a monthly donation. Was previously haphazard.
The government can absolutely shut down the internet and telecommunications. They can also send propaganda straight to your phone that you can’t stop.
Then we put up our own propaganda as posters.
I dunno if this is anyone else but me, but, in the US this weekend, I heard a radio advertisement on our local Clear Channel / CBS station that was just a guy without music, forcefully stating that “tariffs are a matter of national security.”
That was honestly so surreal that I wasn’t sure if I had imagined it.
We need a Radio Free America, operating from Canada.
One time I was at the internet place picking up a new router. The internet in the area had just gone down and angry people were literally coalescing upon the store like zombies.
Godspeed to anyone who turns the data off to America
Wait, two judges?
One in Wisconsin one in New Mexico
I appreciate that this “riots are part of their plan” post acknowledges that not rioting just means a bloodless coup. People keep putting this argument up like the optimal move is just continually not taking the bait under the assumption that some easy solution will eventually come to fruition, but it’s just the frog arguing for boiling itself. They’re not going to just have four years of people letting them do whatever they want and then run free and fair elections because we didn’t take the bait.
Would be nice if there was some leadership on the dems side to, you know, address the volatility of the nation right now. Schumer seriously sending angry letters. If riots break out I hold them equally responsible. They will literally sit on their hands until the country goes up in flames and come out afterwards saying we need unity.
I’ve been expecting the US to explode into a near civil war type situation for months now. You have a relatively small group of very heavily armed people who are willing to die for their dictator, you have a now dictatorial regime wanting to change the US into a theocracy and you have the other 200+ million Americans with varying degrees of weapons who are just about ready to make shit hit the fan. I wonder if US military has prepared for this, and whose side it will chose, but I imagine it will be fracture d and splintered between factions.
It would be super interesting to watch if it wasnt so goddamn scary because these fuckers have the world’s second largest nuclear arsenal and have of these idiots in command are the doomsday types who will happily fire nukes world wide when shit gets real, just to make sure that jeebus would come back to earth to pick them up personally.
Fuck I hate this and I hate these hateful people. I hate it that these people have pushed so much hate in me
Better civil war than fascist rule. Better nuclear war even. The worst thing nukes can do is kill you.
I am hoping the intelligence agencies of other powers would disrupt “our” nuclear capabilities. It is in the interest of China, Europe, Canada, Mexico, and humanity in general if Trump can’t flash-fry the world.
It’s a great strategy, either we riot and they bring out the army, or we do nothing and they get what they want unopposed.
“The second American revolution will be bloodless if the left allows it”We’re so fucked.
Better to bet on the army. They might refuse to follow orders.
The threat of Martial Law is a conspiracy theory at best. There aren’t nearly enough troops AND police to institute it. Stop trying to pretend it’s even possible
To the downvoters: get over yourselves. It’s simple mathematics. This video explains it all.
Since when has plausibility stopped the Trump Regime from doing stupid things?
The US is the biggest military in the world
Which country could do it better if not the US?
The US is notoriously bad at dealing with insurgencies. Toppling a government/military is what the military is designed for, and has shown to be able to do in a matter of weeks, but stamping out an armed populace afterwards has always been where they falter. The US would be the most heavily armed insurgency to ever exist. More guns than people here
But like, it doesn’t really matter, all that matters is that they will try and try to enforce it
What happened in the countries where they tried to stamp out insurgency? They ended up in rubble for the most part. That’s the scary part
Better be rubble than ruled by fascists.
Yes, there are. 80% of the population can be controlled on mere threats alone. The rest can be dealt with by the authorities.
Besides, it isnt about whether its possible or not, its all about them believing that they can. If HitlerPig wants to do it, his henchmen know that they have to enthusiastically agree and call him the greatest strategist in the world, or they are out of a job (at best). So they’ll tell him its possible.
You think they can handle 75 million people?
They would first go after blue states on sanctuary cities.
Think about that time those 4 cops beat up that black guy in LA. I’m talking about Sir Rodney King.
I say do it. Let chaos reign supreme. Burn it all down.
you sound like a person who lives a very comfortable life.
Big “i’ll watch and laugh from my house” energy. Probably doesn’t even live here.
I live in the midwest and would take to the streets for sure. Sorry, but I DO own a home. I guess you got me there?
You’re a teenage kid in your parent’s house, pretending to be tough. It’s obvious.
I was 21 years old on Christmas Eve in 2008 when I got a call that my best friend died in Iraq. This instigated a decade and a half long bout of alcoholism that I still fight. I’d die to be a teenage kid in my parent’s house. I’ve been in the streets. What have you done?
edit - i’ve been informed that i’ve replied to the wrong comment.
cringe. you should probably at least look into someone’s recent comments before you make your comments. i’m canadian, and there’s no doot aboot it. but what the heck does that have to do with the point i made? for what it’s worth, i grew up in tennessee, so maybe i’m just another dirty immigrant?
I think the other user was referring to the comment you answered to
see? this is why i don’t have any friends!
He was agreeing with you, not attacking you
i’m lots of fun at parties. i’ve edited my post to preface that my comment is asinine, because i feel like everyone needs to see what stupid comments look like.
No offense taken I didn’t read this until after the edit
What? I was talking about Trump. He should arrest an SC justice. That way people might actually fucking do something.
i thought i already edited this comment. sorry. a lot of people already pointed out that i read the whole thing wrong.
Oohhhhh
All those Scotus justices making sure trump would be able to become king… Then they get nervous because king start behaving like a king and now king wants to kill them. Would could have seen this coming except everyone who has ever opened a history book?
These supreme Court justices are about as supreme as my ass.
These supreme Court justices are about as supreme as my ass.
They aren’t even as supreme as a chalupa from fucking taco bell.
Certainly not as supreme as the https://www.tacobell.com/food/specialties/chalupa-supreme
I have never seen a face in as much need of meeting a high velocity crowbar as this cunt.
Then you would damage all the gender affirming surgery she got to look pretty enough to be hired by a Trump.
lol good. Either we all have access to gender affirming healthcare or the rich can burn
If a small fraction of us did stuff like that, these problems would be resolved very, very quickly.
The politics of fascism is pure genocidal violence. It’s death camps and slaughter. The only language a fascist understands is violence.
she’s kinda cute but then she opens her mouth and shit starts falling out of it 🤮
Maybe in a hate fuck kinda way…
This is why the Judicial branch needs to have its own fully separate, security forces/armed forces.
In theory, yes. But not the fucking Roberts, Alito, et all court.
Jesus,no
The one-more-lane solution to traffic
If they arrest a SCOTUS Judge they can be DANG SURE that they’ll get at Least ONE STERN LETTER the Following Week or Two!
And an obsequious “dissent” from that, too. As a treat.
Why stop at justices, how about the president?
Fuck this is happening fast
And also not fast. It’s highly stressful.
So if Pam Bondi is just a sycophantic bootlicker, where exactly are the checks and balances? If she can weaponize her position to arrest justices for not bootlicking, then the system’s already collapsed. That’s game over.
Already is bud
Your response really made me realize that I needed to edit my shit there. That’s what happens when you rely on voice to text and not pay attention. 💪
They deserve it fuck them
