ST: Generations, DISCO s5e10 “Life Itself,” and SNW s1e1 “Strange New Worlds”
technically Kirk didn’t have a cabin - that kitchen was some kind of construct within the Nexus wave he got swept up in. If he’d had a cabin he and the boys probably would have gone there in The Final Frontier instead of camping outdoors. But it’s a good question about the economics of the post-scarcity Federation, where everybody seems to take housing for granted. Who gets apartments and who gets chateaus?
I mean post scarcity means post scarcity. So anyone who wants a chateau gets one. Most people I don’t think would actually want one though. It means being more isolated, maybe one a newly habitable planet.
Personally I wouldn’t want or need one. Give me a truly for real actually sound isolated large apartment in a great location and I would be happy.
Kirk had specific memories he was reliving, so at some point before or after FF he had the cabin. Also continuity is something of a myth in Trek.
Likely, one has the option to live to their level of comfort. Though, larger city living would generally be on the smaller side. There’s probably also restrictions on how large/opulent a home can be based on number of occupants.
Maybe because as a captain they spend so much time in a starship that they have need to live in a large open land with a wood/stone cabin.
Like with developers, we end up looking for hobbies that doesn’t involve technology.
Same goes for the rest of the crew though.
in a post scarcity society with industrial scale matter replication and matter/antimatter power sources—why the hell not? I’m sure anyone could have one if they asked.
My head canon is that instead of monetary rewards for doing important or dangerous work, you get more land to use. That would mean trashmen, farmers, nurses, and starship crew would have huge palaces and ceos would live in a shoebox. Picard gets double sized because he’s a captain and a farmer. Same with Boimler.
Poor Boimy has it rough.
I rather thought that there were no “palaces” and no “shoeboxes“, but still a varied range of accommodations that are a mix between inheritance and state ownership where they lend it to an individual or our family.
There’s a very good reason why most sci-fi series that espouse a futuristic socialistic utopian future never really get into the details. Because we, today, haven’t figured that shit out yet.
I always thought that land wasn’t really an issue since there are thousands of star fleet planets. Also I assumed earth would have more attractive land available since there wouldn’t be a need for a lot of transportation infrastructure in the future(transporters, stuff flies,etc)
There are “only” around 150 Federation planets in the TNG era, probably most with extremely high quality of life like Earth, but you might not feel as welcome there. I mean imagine living on Vulcan, sheesh.
There are thousands of colonies and room for lots more, but colony life is dangerous and relatively rough.
I mean there’s only so much ocean view property in San Francisco available. But I think you’re right about transporters and replicators - with the ability to go anywhere nothing needs to be novel, and everyone is basically free to homestead wherever they want without actually having to work.
It seems like colony life is really only dangerous and rough when they’re first getting established. In enterprise and strange new worlds most of the colonies further from our solar system probably aren’t ideal, but by TNG there must be hundreds of well-established colonies with high quality of life that we just never see because nothing interesting happens there. I mean at the very least we see the one in the ghost fucking episode where everyone just decided they wanted to live like 1800s scotland, but they were safe and happy there for a long time and there’s no reason they couldn’t have had a more futuristic way of life. Their weather was fully controlled to simulate the highlands.
Jeez I get wanting authenticity, but if I had full control, I’m not sure the weather would be part of what I’d keep authentic from the Highlands haha.
Maybe they figured out how to make timeshares non-predatory?
I mean imagine living on Vulcan, sheesh.
I imagine that outside of industry and population centers, most other areas would become a natural preserve. That is, unless an Admiral owes you a favor.
We even know Sisko was planning on building a cabin in the woods on Bajor over looking some river. He bought land sometime in the later seasons.
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If you had teleportation available for transport, wouldn’t you move into the middle of nowhere?
After vetting local flora and fauna.
Have you seen/read MurderBot ?
Something to look into, I suppose.
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monthyear!)Just buffer the leftovers.
My guess is that in post scarcity societies, a cabin in a remote location far from everyone is the easiest thing to get. There’s plenty of empty land all over the world.
City centre on the other hand, apartments might be small with a waiting list.
The entirety of the Maquis rebellion, explained in light pollution maps
About the only way the apartments the cast from Friends live in could make sense.
This begs the question: who gets the beachfront property on Star Trek Earth?
The answer, whomever wants it. Since most everyone has easy access to anywhere they want to go and anything they want to do, things we consider luxuries are trivial pass times.
And what if there’s more demand than supply?
The Commodore
Man this episode makes me cringe. Although the follow-up is arguably worse, with Geordi getting all indignant that someone would be upset at him dating a holographic deepfake of them. Is it so hard to write someone being socially awkward without making them a total creep?
Aww but he wasn’t a creep, he was just genuinely really bad at understanding women and communication in a relationship. Shit, Data got more action.
Laforge : I just don’t get it, Guinan. I can field-strip a fusion reactor; I can realign a power transfer tunnel. Why can’t I make anything work with a woman like Christy? It’s like… I don’t know what to do. I don’t know what to say.
Guinan : You’re doing fine with me.
Laforge : You’re different.
Guinan : No, you’re different.
Laforge : But I’m not trying now.
Guinan : That’s my point.
See, that’s fine. If he had taken Guinan’s advice to heart and been himself with an actual woman, great! Hell, even if he’d gone with a holodeck character that was fictional or dead, fine! Date Marie Curie for all I care. But dating an “idealized” virtual copy of a fellow Starfleet officer is super creepy.
Now, don’t get me wrong, I don’t think Geordi’s a creep. I just think the writers made him a creep for those two episodes, which is what bothers me.
I think he was more himself on that holodeck than he’s ever been with a real woman, but I’m not sure that helps my case that he’s not a creep 😆
Nah that’s fine. It’s good he found an outlet, dating on the holodeck itself isn’t a problem. Even if he’d had one of Quark’s holosmut programs, it might raise some eyebrows on a starship, but it would ultimately be harmless fun. It was his choice of companion that was creepy, same as Barkley when he had a Troi program.
When you control large portions of the galaxy handing out land is like handing out stock before an IPO
Doesn’t everyone want a cabin in the woods?
Sure, but not the one run by these guys:
I found their revised black board:
John Shepard?
EDIT: Oh, I misunderstood what was going on in this board.
Of course. Who else would bet on the wraiths vs some dumb college kids?
He doesn’t fear the Wraith. Now clowns, that’s another story. They scare the crap out of him.
I would also have accepted O’Brien under wraiths, so long as it’s possessing Keiko.
O’Brien already called his. He took “The Bride”
It’s my belief that Starfleet still pays their officers, but that since they spend so much time on missions, they have fewer opportunities to spend the money. And by the time they become captains, they’ve probably saved up quite the nest egg.
How do you think Sisko afforded that land on Bajor? Though, being Emissary might have afforded him free or deeply discounted land.
DS9 is probably the closest we got to really investigating federation economics. At some point Sisko warns Quark that if he stops being on the Federation’s good side, hell make him start paying for rent and utilities again. So they have some concept of converting “time and effort” into “credit”. The star fleet officers all have latinum to spend at Quarks, and Quark complains on several occasions that business gets slow when Starfleet stops visiting his bar, so he’s definitely getting paid.
My assumption is that officers are given an allowance or extended credit for interactions with other cultures, and that allowance/credit is either a higher number or simply “more lax” the higher rank you are. Want to “expense” a holosuite visit at Quarks with Starfleet, you’ll have to explain yourself less the higher rank you are. Kind of like “unlimited PTO” at big tech companies.
Like, an ensign might request a cabin in the woods from the cabin logistics department, but they’ll be in line behind all the captains, whereas an admiral would be able to jump the line.
This question came up a lot in DaystromInstitute.
The general headcanon is that rent, access to the stations grid and crew for maintenance is credited at fair market value for officers to use at Quarks. Plus having a steady stream of Starfleet or Bajoran officers there would deter general crime and ruckus, much like why gas stations tend to offer free coffee for cops.
Bargain, for sure. I wonder what Kasidy’s doing with that plot these days. Let’s check in…
Post Scarcity Society have a cabin in the wood for everyone
Honestly with replicators and the amount of forest that grows naturally on Earth, we could have a lot of people do this.
Think about how much land area is currently used for growing crops. If the remaining farms are small vanity/tourist places like Picard’s, then millions of acres on the planet would be rewilded.
Having a cabin in the woods could be quite common.
Aesthetically, it works extremely well because it contrasts with the Enterprise. Anyone who is a fan will feel on some level that the Captain is somewhat out of their element when they’re not on board the Enterprise.
Also lots of nautical references.
Isn’t the Kirk image from Kirk Heaven?
Also, he achieved the rank of admiral prior to this scene, and self-demoted. So, I mean, Kirk, at least, makes some sense. He also had the smallest, most reasonably sized, cabin.
This is a shot from the Nexus, but the cabin itself he did previously inhabit. He describes in hilarious ADHD manner various memories as Picard tries to reign him in.
he wasn’t self demoted, he was demoted to the rank of captain as punishment for stealing and then losing the enterprise, but got a dispensation for saving Earth from the chatty whale probe.
