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Which ones are meant
Teflon freon(CFC)…
Teflon is just the brand name. I believe it’s called Polytetrafluorethylene, thus ending in ne :)
Thank dog, we’re saved
Teflon itself is quite good, getting it to stick to places is the problem.
Quite good, if you avoid the fact it’s literally everywhere including the atmosphere, doesn’t break down, and causes cancer. But who cares about such little things like cancer causing rain…
Again, that’s from getting it to stick to things. The smaller PTFE chemicals that make it possible to suspend Teflon in water are the problem.
Teflon is the brand name for for the chemical Polytetrafluoroethylene (PTFE). Making PTFE requires PFAS, which are the toxic part. Think of PFAS as little bits of chain varying lengths that get strung together to make the larger PTFE molecule.
The argument you’re making sounds similar to something like “Fossil Fuels are safe, it’s just the CO2 that’s dangerous.” PFAS contaminated water being released to the environment is an unavoidable by produce of making Teflon. You can only make Teflon as a solid without suspending the PFAS in water first.
Here’s a pretty good video about the history, manufacturing process, and toxicity.
There is one important note: you won’t get cancer from the Teflon in your pans. You get it from the PFAS used to produce the pans. This means you don’t have to throw out all your pans, as if they were made from lead and asbestos. Just make sure not to buy new ones with Teflon.
The argument you’re making sounds similar to something like “Fossil Fuels are safe, it’s just the CO2 that’s dangerous.”
I didn’t read it that way at all. Their argument sounds more like “there’s nuance that you’re glossing over.”
It seems that we all agree PFAS are generally nasty chemicals, some worse than others. Teflon (polytetrafluoroethylene) is just one of the “nicer” ones.
You can’t make teflon without the PFAS though. It’s like saying AIDS is completely different than HIV
It’s releasing a high amount of micro and nano plastics, and those are linked to different health issues including cancer.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0048969724027232
our findings suggest that PTFE-MPs-associated toxicity may be specifically linked to the activation of the ERK pathway, which ultimately induces oxidative stress and inflammation.
It’s also what makes it cheap. Making Teflon other ways is much more expensive.
Teflon doesn’t cause cancer.
It’s releasing a high amount of micro and nano plastics, and those are linked to different health issues including cancer.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0048969724027232
our findings suggest that PTFE-MPs-associated toxicity may be specifically linked to the activation of the ERK pathway, which ultimately induces oxidative stress and inflammation.
Oxidative stress and inflammation is cancer?
At least 40% of human cancers are associated with aberrant ERK pathway activity (ERKp).
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41698-024-00554-5
ERK expression is critical for development and their hyperactivation plays a major role in cancer development and progression.
I mean, it might… but we haven’t shown it does.
teflon itself is proved safe. its production is what’s causing all the problems.
I had a waterproofing spray that said on it “Completely nontoxic ^when ^dry”
Modern teflon, sure.
But there’s a reason its no longer made with PFOA.
Studies have looked at cancer rates in people living near or working in PFOA-related chemical plants. Some of these studies have suggested an increased risk of testicular cancer and kidney cancer with increased PFOA exposure. Studies have also suggested a possible link to thyroid cancer, but the increases in risk have been small and could have been due to chance. - Source
In the same way Asbestos is a great material, just one small problem
Asbestos itself is toxic. Teflon is inert.
Asbestos makes for a great cigarette filter material, though.
We are too weak for the miracle of asbestos.
In Denmark there was until very recently a factory doing something with teflon. That shit got launched out the chimney and just rained down everywhere.
Yeah, every factory that does “something” with Teflon probably wants to stick it to things, which are the problematic chemicals, not Teflon itself.
free of charge?
Nah, Dupont invoiced everyone.
monsanto tactics
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