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      And feel like an idiot when Windows 10 support inevitably gets extended in a year anyway.

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      Well there are 3 options and they are all bad.

      1. pay to upgrade your PC (or for extended 10 support)
      2. stay on 10 and go without security updates
      3. jump through hoops to update to 11 unsupported

      It’s almost like being on Windows is all bad.

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        1. Use another OS (I hear temple OS is even better then 11 these days)

        I would vote for 2. myself, its not like the security updates have been deal breakers before (nothing is secure anyway).

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          You’re about to get ripped to shreds for daring to suggest the odds of anything actually happening to someone on a recently discontinued operating system are not dramatically higher as long as the user has basic use cases and basic tech literacy.

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            Eh I am used to it. Even when I ask for an example of a end user getting compromised from using out of date software (like a news story, court case, etc.) and they come up empty I am still somehow the “insane” one. You are better to learn to back up things, not get caught in phishing attacks (the most common risk) and watch your accounts then even worrying about security updates.

            Worked 15 years in the industry but, hey what do I know… Not like your bank is still using server 2008 and windows 7 or anything…

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            It does make me wonder if perhaps malicious actors have novel intrusion methods waiting in store for the deadline because they know those people won’t just get a patch the night the intrusion gets detected. MS would probably love it, because some people would go running scared to pay to upgrade.

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          Oh we’re talking about all options including outside of Windows? Well gee life has a lot to offer, even things more glorious than using Linux.

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        You think Linux is any better? I have to upgrade my Mint install every two years! And I have to wait for them to get their update tool ready. And then it takes like 15 minutes or so to complete! My time does not grow on trees!

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          I have to upgrade my Mint install every two years

          I know you’re joking around here, but you don’t have to upgrade every two years. You can use an LTS release instead, or, on the opposite of the spectrum, a rolling release.

          Release schedule and duration of support should always be factored into the decision of choosing a distro.

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        4th option…(Microsoft’s favorite one) Buy a whole new computer compatible with windows 11. Vista style.

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    That workaround for your bi-yearly feature update on an unsupported PC is more complicated than installing Linux.
    There, I said the bad word.

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      You obviously didn’t read the article as it makes no such claim and its not an issue unless you have a 20 year old computer. This superior smug answer based on lies is part of why Linux has a bad reputation. Yeah mb 10% of you guys are world class, and another 25% are competent, but that still leaves the majority of Linux supporters looking like ignorant idiots, like you could have at least read the article you replied to.

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        The article doesn’t need to explicitly state that, because it’s a simple comparison to make.

        its not an issue unless you have a 20 year old computer.

        Plenty of computers have been made without TPMs in the last 10 years, as well as built by people who have no need for one, or else they simply disabled it.

        The article states;

        Without Secure Boot or a TPM, though, installing these upgrades in place is more difficult. Trying to run an upgrade install from within Windows just means the system will yell at you about the things your PC is missing. Booting from a USB drive that has been doctored to overlook the requirements will help you do a clean install, but it will delete all your existing files and apps.

        If you’re running into this problem and still want to try an upgrade install, there’s one more workaround you can try.

        Download an ISO for the version of Windows 11 you want to install, and then either make a USB install drive or simply mount the ISO file in Windows by double-clicking it.

        Open a Command Prompt window as Administrator and navigate to whatever drive letter the Windows install media is using. Usually that will be D: or E:, depending on what drives you have installed in your system; type the drive letter and colon into the command prompt window and press Enter.

        Type setup.exe /product server

        That is objectively not much different than the majority of Linux installs in terms of what you’re having to do just for an upgrade. That’s the point the person above was making. You can’t click a button, you have downloaded an image, mount it, and run through a setup.

        You want to talk “smug”, yet you’re the one being triggered enough by seeing Linux mentioned in a perfectly valid comparison to the point you have to hop on your soapbox about “why Linux has a bad reputation”.

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          Okay but thats not what he said, the comment I responded to said twice a year a Windows 11 install will break which is just not true. And even a fresh install you can bypass that. And mentioning tpms? Literally article was about how guy is running W11 on a Core 2 Duo, what tpm he has? I love the downvotes though, reminds me the average person can’t read let alone think.

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            If w11 changes something that relies on tpm, and you don’t have tpm, surely you can see how that could cause a significant issue?

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              Could you give me of something in W11 that actually needs tpm. Surely to comment this you have an example ready, I would like to discuss.

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        Find God and switch to templeos. /s

        Jk. Everyone knows Hannah Montana Linux is the next big thing.

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          I started wetting the bed again when I was 11. It continued every few nights until I was 18.

          Then it turns out I wasn’t urinating at all. I was just raised in a very controlling home, which meant I had no idea what masturbation was.

          It wasn’t until I started having sex that I found out I had been having wet dreams for years, and getting made fun of for it by my dad.

          Now my dad is in his 70s, and wonders why nobody will talk to him anymore. Newsflash asshole! You can’t talk to mommy anymore! 103 is a great age to live to, but people aren’t immortal.

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              Look man, I don’t know what to tell ya. If you didn’t want to read about my penis, then you should have stabbed your eyes out with a fork as a child.

              My penis is like Visa. It’s everywhere you want to be!

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    I wish Roblox would stop having their fight with Linux and I just convert my kids over.

    They absolutely don’t need Windows for anything but Roblox at the moment.

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      Otoh, Roblox is evil and you could just use the switch to Linux to be like, “oh no, I guess we can’t have Roblox anymore!”

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        My home is more of a democracy than a dictatorship. I could of course forbid them from playing, impose whatever sanctions, But they have fun doing it and they have a bunch of real life friends that join them.

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          My home is more of a democracy than a dictatorship.

          Oh, now you’ve done it, you’ve pissed off the tankies.

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            What is a tanky? Only heard that after switching to Lemmy. What’s the origin?

            Edit: God damn, definition was far more literal than I imagined!

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              tankie = stalinist/maoist style communist, take control of everything, anyone who resists, run them over with tanks.

              lemmy.ml has a bunch, also hexbear and especially lemmygrad.

              They seem like angsty tweens who suddenly realized they figured out the solution to everything, and anyone who doesn’t listen to them must be dealt with.

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                Specifically referring to scenarios where tanks were used in conflicts between civilians and the state, such as Tiananmen square or Chechnya and expressing support for the side using tanks.

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              It’s a term that goes back to the cold war. There was a strike and the Soviet Union ended it violently by rolling tanks into the city. This put communists all over the world into a bit of a dilemma: on one side of the conflict was the working class making their opinion known (a communist value) and on the other the Soviet Union (the good guys). So whose side should they take?

              It was British communists who coined the term “tankie” for those who defended the SUs actions to brand them as “fake communists” who are more interested in identity politics (the good guys did it, therefore it’s OK) than the plight of the working class.

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              Tankie is a sort of derogatory term for people who whitewash and cover up the horrors of communism.

              There was a rebellion in the Soviet Union. The SU responded by rolling tanks into town and violently busting it. This put two sides of communism at odds; On one hand, there was the plight of the working class (the rebellion) and then on the other there were the actions of the people in control (the tanks). Tankies are the “communism has only ever helped people, you’re just listening to capitalist propaganda” folks who decided to side with the tanks, instead of siding with the working class. It’s sort of like calling someone a fake communist, [insert “No True Scotsman fallacy” argument from a tankie below], because a “real” communist would side with the working class.

              You see it a lot on Lemmy because many instances have some major communist lean. After all, the “anyone can run their own instance and be in charge. No centralized instances, if you don’t like the mods you can just change instances” concept of the Fediverse jives very well with communist ideals. For instance, the “ml” in lemmy.ml is meant to stand for “Maoist/Leninist”. And that means the entire communist spectrum is on display; From both the more moderate “yeah communism has some cool parts but was also responsible for some major humanitarian crises” to the more extreme “those crises [were caused by individuals, not by the political system]/[never actually happened at all. They’re lies made up by capitalists to deter people from supporting communism!] Communism never actually hurt anyone.”

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            It’s not like they have a lot of election choices, I’ve kind of got a one-party system going on. They can vote for me or they can vote for my wife but they’re getting the same thing either way.

            The problem is, they’re eventually going to determine what kind of nursing home I go to. If Roblox buys me chicken pot pie Thursday I’ll considerit a win