• tomiant@piefed.socialEnglish
    17·
    2 hours ago

    I mean no matter how you look at it it’s just the one hole.

    In fact, all holes are the same hole.

    If you think about it.

  • ImgurRefugee114@reddthat.comEnglish
    976·
    5 hours ago

    The colloquial meaning is different from a topological definition. Anything with a through-hole has a hole at each end. It’s an ambiguous question because the answer depends whether you’re referring to a openings in the face of the object (a cylinder in the case of a straw) or the void connection the surface openings. Perhaps the safest answer is inclusive, so three. I’ve been told I’m not fun at parties.

    • stupidcasey@lemmy.worldEnglish
      2·
      40 minutes ago

      That’s right you’re not let me help:

      "The colloquial cloaca meaning is different from a topological Topsy-turvy definition. Anything with a through-hole has a hole at each endsnickering. It’s an ambiguous GAY question because the answer depends whether you’re referring to a openings in the face of the objectmore-snickering (a cylinder in the case of a straw)obviously-unnecessary or the void connection the surface openings. Perhaps the safest most radical answer is inclusive, so three. I’ve been told I’m not fun at parties.’

    • Smoogs@lemmy.worldEnglish
      13·
      3 hours ago

      It’s ok, the people who tell you that weren’t invited to any of the parties either.

    • SpaceNoodle@lemmy.worldEnglish
      162·
      5 hours ago

      You could make infinite indentations in an object with zero holes. That’s a very poor definition for a hope topologically.

      • blackbrook@mander.xyzEnglish
        2·
        24 minutes ago

        But it’s a good definition if you are, say, putting a thing into each indentation. That’s why the two definitions are different.

      • Tlaloc_Temporal@lemmy.caEnglish
        153·
        4 hours ago

        And yet each indentation could hold something, like cheese or a kitten, so each indentation in functionally different from a smooth surface.

        Deforming a shape changes it, thus topology is a special case of specifically ignoring most aspects of a shape.

        • SpaceNoodle@lemmy.worldEnglish
          52·
          4 hours ago

          But more importantly, calling any indentation a “hole” is a case of specifically ignoring the special significance of actual holes. You can’t pass through an indentation.

          • aMockTie@piefed.worldEnglish
            4·
            2 hours ago

            If you were to tell an average English speaker that you were going to dig an indentation, chances are high that they would misinterpret your meaning.

            On the other hand, if you told them that you were going to dig a “blind hole,” I imagine they would have a much better understanding of your meaning and you would still be technically correct.

          • Tlaloc_Temporal@lemmy.caEnglish
            41·
            3 hours ago

            That’s why we have the compound word “through-hole”.

            90% of important parts on living things are pockets and manipulations of surface area, two things completely ignored by topology. Topology is interesting mathematically, and has meaning for traversal and knot problems, but it’s not really useful to describe reality.

            • SpaceNoodle@lemmy.worldEnglish
              31·
              3 hours ago

              That’s why we have a diverse set of words such as “divot,” “indentation,” “pit,” “well,” and so much more!

              Topology is a component of the language called “mathematics” we use to understand, describe, and model reality in concrete terms.

  • I_Has_A_Hat@lemmy.worldEnglish
    32·
    1 hour ago

    I hate this faulty logic. Of course there are two holes. Look, plug one end and do the unfold method in the comic again so instead of one hole in the center, it’s just a solid disk. Does that mean if the straw is plugged at one end there are zero holes? Of course not.

  • Lizard@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
    8·
    4 hours ago

    Technically, the digestive system (i.e., the full gastro intestinal tract) is considered as part of the “outside” of the body, acting as an external surface similar to the skin. The space that an object can travel through without crossing a cell membrane or entering blood or tissue is called “lumen”. So the same intuition as in the meme actually holds true here, too.