Daily reminder to all ICE agents. By signing up for ICE, you have signed yourself up for a lifetime of fear and criminal liability. There are Nazi concentration camp guards that were tried for their crimes in their 90s. There is no statute of limitations on crimes against humanity. Your names are recorded; your deeds are known. And you will face justice for your crimes. And do not count on a blanket pardon saving you. Crimes against humanity are violations of international law that cannot be pardoned.
They should also remember that murder peaked immediately post WWII in Europe as people got even with their Nazi tormenters.
They will complain that women won’t want to date them, but they also get to live in fear that the women who will date them are secretly planning to [redacted] them like O-Ren Ishii.
Good God I hope they are held accountable for their crimes
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Luigi is innocent. Stop.
Your optimism can only be admired. However the US has already stated multiple times that it doesn’t care about international law and that Americans cannot be tried for war crimes and crimes against humanity, or they will invade the Netherlands. The ICC cannot even detain an American. This was during W Bush and his “war on terror”.
And then Trump recently reiterated it with a new executive order, imposing penalties and visa restrictions on people even helping the ICC to investigate Americans.
You’re assuming the US survives. If the federal government collapses chucking federal agents at the ICC would be a decent way to earn international legitimacy without expending worthwhile resources.
Let’s get that list out in the open for all to see.
So many ice agents here on Lemmy
Yes, obviously, but these type of comments are self-defeating and unhelpful. It’s more about trying to encourage the circulation of the idea that ICE needs to face criminal accountability. There should be a paragraph on ICE’s potential criminal liability in every article about them. People should mention their susceptibility to prosecution on every discussion about them. We should be including the topic of prosecutions in every casual conversation about ICE.
The right wing learned a long time ago that the public narrative matters. If there’s an idea worth spreading, then spread it. We need to get the idea of accountability in the public consciousness whenever possible. Otherwise, it’s the default instinct of every Democratic politician to try to be magnanimous when they’re elected. Liberals are by their nature non-confrontational; they’re happy to have people walk all over them. Obama and Biden both refused to prosecute the previous administration and tried to be grand peace makers, and look how that turned out. It will take a lot of public pressure if there’s ever going to be any accountability. That’s why we need to be circulating these ideas in the Zeitgeist. Yes, obviously this is just lemmy, but there’s no need to be such an unhelpful cynic.
Thank you. I am fully on board and you’re 100% speaking my language.
I’m a cynic because I want people to get pissed off. At least pissed off people might do something.
The left is sleeping on actually utilizing the Internet for spreading ideas. They need to stop showing up in the street and start actually producing content.
Like I just checked out Joe Rogan sub Reddit to see people shitting on him and found stuff like this. It’s funny and honestly gets so much attention even though it’s stupid. Where the fuck is this stuff on Lemmy. Are we just here to passively read articles and yell how we’re going to punch a Nazi and then not even bother to fight Nazi shit online?
Yeah, whenever i see someone here saying that we need to resort to violence, my immediate thought is always, “Ok tough guy, where’s your truck bomb?”
I do more IRL resistance work than at least 95% of the people on this site. And I’m not even talking protests. I’m directly, on the ground, working to help some of the people most hurt by the regime’s policies. I’m not into violence, but I’m not above disobeying unjust laws either. So it’s not like I’m some online slactavist that refuses to lift a finger to actually help people. The kind of work I do is the kind of thing I can’t even post about on social media.
But it is an incredible shame how the right has taken over so many online spaces. 10-15 years ago, the left more dominated online spaces. The early internet was a mix of very libertarian and progressive. Hell the internet was built from the ground up on socialist principles. But it’s the right that really learned how to use the net most effectively as a means of mass communication and propaganda. And they did so quite deliberately. There was a deliberate and organized campaign among white supremacists on places like stormfront to subtly move their message to the mainstream.
I think those on the left tend to view things from way too scholarly a perspective. Why repeat the same message if you’ve already written extensively about it before? Or make sure to not post simple understandable messages; instead start with a dozen qualifiers and provisos that end up watering down your whole message. It’s more important to be intellectually rigorous than it is to effectively communicate your values. Or there’s the tendency for purity tests that end up shoving away otherwise eager allies.
The right meanwhile has learned that even bold faced lies can become widely accepted if you simply repeat them loudly and often enough.
Point them out
It’s hard to identify them because they wear masks when they’re on here
The United States provides the best historical reenactment of Nazi Germany ever. Living history in action folks!
Just wait until they add the bonus Great Depression reenactment!
Donald Cuck and his band of children molesters have been obsessed with Hitler forever. We were always a fascist nation, now we are a fascist nation of Nazi cosplayers.
Noem told reporters alongside Trump on July 1 as they toured a new detention center in the Florida Everglades known as
“Alligator Alcatraz.”“Alligator Auschwitz.”That’s the correct name.
This needs to stick.
It’s got like 24 hrs left.
Do we know yet that it’s an extermination camp? Because it’s not like it’s the first modern concentration camp in the US. We’ve just been calling them detention centers.
Auschwitz started as “just a concentration camp” too.
Eventually countries will stop accepting our deportees and then what will they do? The answer is simple:
They’ll come up with a final solution.
Right, but why is this concentration camp deserving of comparison to Auschwitz? We already have several.
Because alligator alliterates with Auschwitz.
Every concentration camp deserves that comparison
But… alligators.
Let’s see what happens once a detainee gets partially consumed.
I saw a good Dachau-pun name for it, but it might have been so morbid I blocked it out, because I can’t remember what it was
I can’t believe I’m living though my country’s Nazi era. History will not be kind to us. I hate all of this. My sister voted for this and I’ll never forgive her.
My entire damned family voted for it… even my closest sibling who had never voted republican in her life… that other side indoctrinated hard… I’m so disgusted, and she even said “I’m so sad ice picked up one of my favorite co-workers!” “And you voted for that” apparently wasn’t the comfort she was seeking.
I mean… these people are ignorant as shit.
Too fucking true… just hurts to see it close by. I know she’s smart… she’s just, well indoctrinated… that cult is a hell of a drug
It IS a drug - Dopamine - and they are addicted to it. The Conservative Propaganda Machine knows it, and feeds it, giving them constant hits of Dopamine all day.
I’m sorry for your pain - I can’t imagine how hard this is for you. Hang in there, we feel for you.
Ignorant isn’t the right word. There has been a coordinated propaganda campaign for 30 years pointing toward this goal. What you’re seeing in these people didn’t happen overnight. Yes they are also ignorant. Nazi sympathizers were average citizens. Fascist propaganda is a powerful drug.
Unfortunately, we can’t do what we should’ve done at the end of the first civil war
Even if we can finally purge MAGA from our government, and even have it declared a terrorist/hate organization, how do we deal with millions of brainwashed idiots? They aren’t going to change their minds easily, and accept that they were conned.
They were conned once, they can be easily conned again.
if only there were some prior precedent of a nation state going mad and hitting rock bottom in the most catastrophic way imaginable, then pulling its head out of its arse and going to become a productive member of the world economy we could look to. That would be most excellent, ja?
Germany is basically full circle back into right wing bs now.
Restore quality education to prevent future generations from falling into the same traps of flawed logic and propaganda.
Probably the best thing we can do to prevent it from happening again.
Dumb fucking bitch. Sorry.
I wish it need not have happened in my time," said Frodo. “So do I,” said Gandalf, "and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us.
Oh cool, a president threatening to prosecute the press for reporting on something factually correct. Cool cool cool.
Yo Murica - something something, freedom of speech, tyrants & 2nd amendment? - or nah.
🤡
Nah. We’re a fascist nazi regime now.
Can we just reload to a better save point?
If that were possible, I’ll like to go back a year and get a do-over on Butler, PA.
So, uh, here’s the thing…
Nah. We’re a fascist nazi regime now.
Jesus saves but Americans don’t.
Truth.
Always were…
The US needs school shootings in order to defend democracy
The Bible accuses Canaanites of child sacrifice and that led to their judgement and destruction. And these fools think God is going to bless us for letting our children get murdered (and don’t even get my started on our hand in the death of Palestinian children).
So, are the democrats and the American people, and all our public institutions, and private industry just going to sit around and let these fascist losers ruin everything, forever? Is that the plan? It really looks like that’s the plan right now.
No one is broadcasting the revolution. Throw sugar in ICE gas tanks, cut the power to Heritage Foundation offices, and shut the fuck up about it.
Sugar in gas tanks is a myth.
Then stick your dick and balls in there, as long as you do something. Doing nothing is not an option if you aren’t in a currently targeted group.
Am in a currently targeted group, and also doing things which are effective, unlike sugar in gas tanks.
Really focusing on that, huh? And not the message of destruction of fascists property? Dig in, then.
Sugar doesn’t destroy property - that’s my point. Are you literate? Make some caltrops or do something that actually works.
Thats really cool, man. No one is posting their real plans to public forums. It was fun having this pointless argument for you to feel smart though.
Bro you’re really not getting it. Hell, they agreed with you and now you’re just kinda going off on their literacy while proving that your comprehension needs work. The fuck do you want from them?
You’re weird for this; chill out.
You probably should delete this.
Don’t be a bitch
True revolutionaries buy Sabian anyways
TOO FAR
sure thing buddy, you do you and try making specific actionable threats online to specific places, surely no one has ever been prosecuted for that before
Keep hiding then. I’m sure that will work out great
ok, I can see you don’t really know what you’re talking about, so follow your heart I guess
the internet does not work that way
lol ok baby boy, make actionable threats to specific places and let me know how that goes.
Can’t delete things from the internet either way chief
It makes more sense when you fully understand what people mean when they say both sides.
People who want to argue that point take it to mean “both sides are the same”. What it really means is both sides are complicit. It’s good cop bad cop. The good cop has to keep up appearances, to sell the illusion of choice and safety. While the bad cop takes all the heat.
And if you want evidence, just look at how things have gone in the last 40 years. Republicans take 3 steps right, democrats take 1 step left. Well, do the math. That’s a net result of 2 steps to the right without recoarse. Now repeat for 40 years, and you have a situation where it’s literally gotten to nazi america tactics.
The old barometer for how far they’ve gone is when they undid roe v wade. Now, thats so far in the rear view, that we’re at a point where unidentified government agents are kidnapping people on the street, without even confirming they have reason to arrest them, and at times killing them in the process.
Let me repeat that. We’re at a point where government officials are now grabbing people off the street and killing them, without so much as a confirmation of their identity.
But don’t worry, the democrats are going to wave their fingers in a “no no no” motion, real hard. We’ll all be fiiiiiiine! Well, unless of coarse you’re brown enough, or just mistaken for an opposing opinion.
Yeah. Both sides.
It makes sense why the cult and its leaders call progressives the “extreme left” because the center and the right has shifted so much.
The cult thinks Dick Cheney is the extreme left. They have no idea how far off the cliff they’ve fallen
There is still gay marriage in this country, and abortion was legal for 30 years. Very, very recently we have taken several steps to the right. Things have become much more open socially.
and abortion was legal for 30 years
50
Fuck, I’m old. 30 years ago was the 90s.
Damn, the bar really is on the floor, huh? Ya’ll’re gunna have to do a lot better than “gay people are barely allowed to marry in places where they have less of s chance of being beaten or killed for being out” and “we had abortion rights once but those were blown away and now the current admin that’s only just getting started is making sure things only get worse”.
I know them there readin’ skills ain’t top-notch in ‘Merica but maybe you would all benefit from looking to the rest of the world and understanding that the USA is pretty fucking dogshit in comparison to not only a long list of betters but even compared to a few of the countries that it considers to be backwater.
The USA sucks, big time. Horrid place full of horrid people doing horrid things under a horrid system they keep desperately trying to pretend is the only option despite all the evidence even from within their own recent past. Do better.
Gay marriage was a stepping stone. Democratic administrations have led the US forward on civil rights since Lyndon Johnson.
The first country to recognize gay marriage (not civil unions, which parts of the US already had) was the Netherlands in 2001. Almost all of the countries to do so since have been in Western Europe and the Americas. It may be a low bar to you, but it’s one that most have not risen above yet.
Look at the context of this thread. “Both sides” bullshit. The judges that nuked abortion rights were all on one side.
Which enlightened country are you from that it only recognized gay marriage in the last 25 years? Is your country immune to right wing propaganda? I’d love to hear how welcoming it is to immigrants of all skin tones.
I’m from Canada, we were one of the first to legalize it, if I recall correctly.
I need you to understand that this pathetic deflection tactic does not fool any but the most profoundly stupid. The US has an insane amount of resources to do so much good for its people and spends way too much of said resources attacking other countries and beating down its minorities and poor people. You’re failing an open book test where the professor is begging you pick the right answer and you’re still dragging your heels and screaming the whole time.
The US is a terrible place, not only for how bad it is but, for me especially, for how it could be so wonderful and actively chooses to be terrible. And then it goes around exporting that bullshit while acting like they had nothing to do with it to really round it all out. Many places are bad but the US takes it to a whole new, greasy place.
Congrats on being a whole 10 years ahead of the US on same sex marriage. Your nation is clearly enlightened.
I’m as pissed off about the direction of the US under Trump as you are. But the US was moving in the right direction for decades before Trump. There will be a push and pull. The Democrats have been the ones moving things forward, and in-fighting in the face of evil will not make things better.
You asked, buddy, and I’m sorry your gotcha fell on its stupid face, I guess?
The USA was fucking crawling forward and it was complaining the entire time. It is a country constantly falling behind in so many quality of life metrics, and in a constant state of barely hanging onto what few rights people had to earn with their lives. I need you to understand that the pace at which it moves is unacceptable and to be even remotely proud of it just shows your ignorance.
The Democrats are probably going to try to run Gavin fucking Newsom instead of AOC because they don’t seem to even want to win and because they don’t want to have someone in power who will push so hard for doing the right thing. Who knows, maybe you idiots will actually rally behind her during the primary, if you even get one of those, and the country can finally start its slow game of catch-up with the rest of the developed world, but I’m not holding my breath.
Good luck.
I have 3 guns and am purchasing a 4th soon. I’ve added 8 cameras to the perimeter of my home.
I am not going to win, but I’ll go down fighting.
Comedian turned activist Cliff Cash has a public call to action if you’re interested. He’s asking anyone who can come to Washington D.C. to join him to go to congressional offices this next Monday. It’s likely to not be a silver bullet to all this fascist bullshit but it’s a good fight.
I’m also pretty sure there are similar efforts and protests near you if you can’t make the trip today.
When will the madness end?
Rise, rebel, resist!
It’s about this app: https://www.iceblock.app/. Download it, use it.
Why TF has this topic been around for hours and has no one posted this? Why is the drama again made more important than the substance? Don’t let the hysteria win.
Here’s an ice tracking app for Android called F.I.R.E I saw in a recent reddit post
Can you tell us anything more about the app? How safe is it? Is there a discussion anywhere about it? Thank you.
Good question. Here’s the info thread about it. I’ve tested it and the app itself is functional and shows ice but I don’t know much about it. The dev seems happy to answer questions:
https://www.reddit.com/r/LosAngeles/comments/1lp6erp/ice_tracking_app_android/
Thank you so much for that response! I’ll check it out.
Permissions looks normal for what it does. App scanner shows no trackers, but it does seem to use Google Firebase and Google login apis. I didn’t install it to look at network traffic. If anyone does, I’d be curious.
Thank you so much for your response! This is good to know.
Download it, use it.
It is apparently restricted to US iTunes accounts only, for some brainless reason. So a lot of people who could potentially benefit from it simply can’t.
The fact it’s not available on f-droid makes me think it’s a honeypot.
Apple only, no website, is suspect af for an app that requires maximum privacy.
EDIT: maybe just incompetent devs, which is just as bad as the end result will be equivalent to a honeypot.
The website offers an explanation as to why there is no Android version. Basically it’s because Android would require them to maintain a database of Android users, which is a security issue if it gets confiscated by the government. They call those privacy concerns “non-negotiable,” and suggest Android users but a cheap old iPhone model to use the app.
The apk could be released outside of Google and its policies. They could even open source it.
Even with an iPhone it is inaccessible without a US account.
This way, the database of users is maintained by Apple, which is much more secure against Trump. /s
Apparently the dev is an Apple fanboy and does not understand Android. You can do the exact same thing on Android as you did on Apple, except the data would still be with Google.
And they’ll bend the knee. Throw some scapegoat under the bus, because this is the new Fascist America.
You chose this, America. Now no one will save us.
How does this make any sense?
Shouldn’t they be suing Apple to take it down if they don’t like it? I know they just want to weaken press, but it feels like an especially weak excuse.
Eh. Trump is publicly weighing the idea of deporting Musk. He’ll turn on anyone, no matter the previous displays of loyalty.
This does seem aimed at CNN, in particular, imho.
Didn’t Elon turn on Trump by criticizing his budget?
I’m not sure what started it exactly, but yes, those two had a big public falling out. During which, Elon criticized the budget bill.
Entirely predicted.
Well, exactly. Trump apparently has a line to Apple and could probably get Tim to take it down.
Don’t owrry, he’ll file a spurious lawsuit against them soon, which they will immediately settle, in a totally-not-legalized-bribe means of smoothing over the upset.
It’s worked for ABC and CBS, why not CNN? Just threaten to pull their broadcast licenses, and accept a settlement bribe.
I suspect CNN won’t be the last.
Fortunately CNN isn’t broadcast (the C is “cable”). But they’ll still probably cave.
Now with his own GeStaPo with a budget bigger than most of the worlds militaries, he can finally eradicate any opposition with ease. Well done, American voters, you got yourself a Führer.
The shitty press enabled this. Let them fall on their own sword.
He’s an attention craving blowhard but the cowards cave.
That’s like saying they’ll be charged with murder, for reporting on murder. These fucking halfwits are just so unbelievably stupid.
Stupid? They’re achieving exactly what they set out to achieve. The fact that they’re doing it while saying illogical things doesn’t change that.
