Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez holds a slight lead over Vice President JD Vance in a hypothetical 2028 presidential matchup, according to a new poll.
The New York Democratic congresswoman, known as AOC, edges the likely Republican nominee 51% to 49%, in The Argument/Verasight survey released on Tuesday. However, the result was within the poll’s 2.7 percentage point margin of error, making the two candidates statistically tied. The poll asked voters who they would vote for if the election was between the two of them.
alexandria ocasio-cortez should indeed run for president. seriously!
good
Awww, that’s fun. People think we’re going to have an election in 2028.
The DNC will use all their resources to sabotage her and place a Israeli loyalist that supports insider trading, forgiving the criminals in charge now, not reversing any of the shareholder first policies and deregulation and continuing to ratchet us to Nazi land while gaslighting us about how great the economy is because line go up for the capitalist class.
Part of the reason why social democracy is so important on the path to socialism is because line must go up for everyone or we’re totally screwed. I have no doubt the DNC will do whatever it can to undermine a candidate like AOC, but if we can implement a policy like Medicare for all, that will be a massive win for getting to the goal in more ways than one.
Or AOC will win and become what you described.
i mean she would have to, if she wanted to live.
Ahh yes… The very free and fair 2028 elections we’ll being having. The Republicans definitely won’t try every trick in the book to manipulate them or stop them outright. Nevermind establishment Dems fucking over primaries to shoehorn in their milquetoast candidates, while fucking over actual progressives!
I am so looking forward to voting our way out of fascism/ a dictatorship, as has absolutely been exhibited to work multiple times through history.
what would lenin do?
we need socialism
My fucking neighbor has a Trump 2028 sticker right under his Israeli flag
Historically strong state men love minorities and Jewish in particular
/s
I suspect that we will find that lead ballots hold more weight, when it comes to voting.
Fuuuuck yes!!!
I had no idea who this JD Vance person was until he became trump’s running mate. Dude you’re not popular or interesting on your own. Don’t act like people actually like you, couch fucking baby.
His best-selling memoir was turned into a Ron Howard film that got 2 Oscar nominations. He wasn’t nobody.
You’ve been flying blind. JD’s been the spectre haunting American politics since the Obama Era. That creepy little turd’s backed his way up the drainpipe of American politics with the help of everyone from James Dobson to Oprah. He’s the Republicans’ Hillary Clinton.
He’s a Peter Thiel project. They met when Vance was in either college or law school. Shillbilly never would have met any of those people without Thiel’s help. Probably would never even have gotten a book deal trashing his family.
Ron Howard directed JD Vance’s biopic in 2020.
For anyone that isn’t aware of it: Hillbilly Elegy
At first I misread that as Howard Stern.
I was imagining him sitting around with a couple of strippers making a bunch of couch fucker jokes.
It’s not too late. We can still have this movie made! Somebody call Stern’s agent!
Just another example of how America is collapsing under the weight of its own corporate/oligarch dictatorship, corruption, ignorance, racism, and mental illness epidemic.
An intelligent, empathetic leader is basically tied with a traitorous, criminally sociopathic, con artist who possesses zero morals or ethics, and literally works for someone he previously called Hitler…
If the US weren’t a failed state, Trump would be in prison and Vance would be a fucking nobody.
JD Vance has zero charisma, idk how he can be in the race but, well… Trump.
Because he gets a baseline of like 35% just for having R next to his name.
Objectively during the VP debate I’d say he had more charisma than Walz if you’re dumb.
He can command a stage, but he was saying utter nonsense while doing it. Basically he said things well, but if you actually listened to his words you should see through it.
Unfortunately too many people are just there for the performance and not the facts.
It’s how 2016 Trump beat Hillary imo. The man was an actor and basically just did crowd work. Anyone with 2 braincells could see through it but well that’s not enough people
I find it ironic that Vance has talked about Europe supposedly not being democratic and supposedly not listening to the will of the people. Hillary Clinton in 2016 (whether you like her or not) got more votes than Trump. If the US respected the will of the people, they’d get rid of the electoral college, and they would have inaugurated Hillary as president.
Even when ordering a doughnut. It’s sad.
He has the backing of Big Couch
People didn’t want Kamala because she wasn’t democratically elected as the leader of the party in a primary so they let full blown fascism take over instead. They felt it was more important to send the Democrats a message instead of actually keeping some minimal form of democracy and freedom. 🙄
So they’ll probably not vote for AOC if she becomes leader of the Democratic party anyway because of some minor excuse, like how she supported Israel’s right to exist, or something. And the US will end up with a third Trump mandate.
I hope the US will prove me wrong. My hope in Americans doing the right thing is pretty low.
Kamala pr was so terrible that she lost because of the issue of economy and border protection
This is off topic but God does she have a pretty smile.
This is some weird shit that only people in bubbles would comment.
It doesn’t help anyone but does make people celebrate losing ideas prematurely.
People in bubbles or people disconnected enough from American politics, I guess. European here. 🙋♂️ Hi.
The faces of democratic socialism: AOC, Kat Abughazaleh, Zohran Mamdani
The face of the GOP: [ insert bloated face Vance meme here ]
Kat and Zohr too, yeah. Gorgeous people. Brother Zohr might just be the most photogenic of all of them, ngl. Coming from me as a cis het man.
We also got Katie Wilson. Sure she isn’t classically gorgeous like those three, but damn does that woman represent Seattle.
I hate how much that improves her chances.
Don’t worry, she’s female, which will keep a bunch of people from voting for her
She’s so fire though, politically, not just looks. Her whole social media presence is like scrolling c/murderedbywords. Love 'er.
Honestly, people are so pissed at Trump, and there’s so little credibility left in the GOP even among their own base, that might not matter anymore.
JFC, “JD” “Vance” is about as appealing as a bucket of piss. How in the fuck is this even close?
I get it - AOC doesn’t have a dong and so a lot of mouthbreathers rule her out on that alone. But still, Christ. This is the stupid bootlick that called Donvict a Nazi and is now his VP and sits there and chastises one of our allies like some kind of cartoon bully.
America has repeatedly proven it will not vote for a woman, no matter how qualified she is
We’ve proven we don’t like centrist women with status quo platforms pretty convincingly. Anything more is speculative imo.
And yet it’s elected centrist man after centrist man. Funny, that.
The last time there was another option on the table he became the first black president in our nation’s history. Perhaps there’s a lesson to be learned there.
I think it’s a stretch to say Obama wasn’t centrist, but really it’s irrelevant. US voters were fine with voting in centrist men in if they were appealing enough, but once a centrist woman is put up, they’ll let a self-confessed wannabe dictator into office with hardly a fight.
Obama certainly acted like a centrist but that’s not how he campaigned which means that’s not what won him the election.
Again, irrelevant. Also, he won twice, so his initial campaign wasn’t the end all be all, either.
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I guarantee you a far left woman like AOC is not going to get elected. Too many independents think she’s too far left. The right can win by being extreme right. The left can’t win by being extreme left. Not in this shithole.
Nothing about affordable health care and not trying to actively poison the planet as much as possible is extreme left
That’s what they said about far left black men until Obama came along running as a progressive and won handily. For some reason we didn’t learn any lessons from that and went right back to boring centrist candidates afterwards.
The women who were presented to America had many more problems than their gender. I’m not discounting the reality that a woman has to be exceptional to be considered adequate by the electorate, but “America will not vote for a woman” is true until it’s not.
America voted for Clinton
Yeah irc she won the popular vote. Unfortunately it’s the electoral collage vote that wins you elections.
So the issue is not Clinton being a woman but the issue is the political system that americans never tried to change
Nah, I just think you personally are sexist and are looking to voters to validate your beliefs. Americans will vote for a women candidate. They just won’t vote for an uninspiring third way Democrat, whether they have a vag or not.
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Kamala?
Ok, yes, true, but Kamala never was chosen via the primary process, she was just forced on us as the default choice.
I’m all for a women president eventually, but perhaps the elections during an attempted fascist take over isn’t the time.
Some men will simply not vote for a woman, it’s sad, but it’s reality. If a woman is on the ballot the democrats will lose again.
The time will come, just not yet with stakes this high. I would love to see AOC as the first female president.
someone should take one for the team and form an alternative socialist government of the united states as a micronation. seriously!
I’m still of the VERY strong opinion that Hillary and Kamala didn’t lose because they were women, but because they were Hillary and Kamala.
I don’t know, but maybe we shouldn’t base our gender litmus test off of literally the most unlikeable women the DNC could have picked.
I think you’re mostly right, but being women had to be at least a few percent of it.
Harris wasn’t the “most unlikeable” by a long shot, but she was certainly a solid “meh”.
Harris was hamstrung by not having a primary and listening to the worst possible advice from the people that helped Clinton lose to Trump.
Attitudes like yours are why Democrats lose elections. We talk ourselves out of our best candidates. We try to compromise with Republicans right out the gate, and try to select the more moderate ‘electable’ candidate.
Your line of thinking got us Kerry, Clinton, and Biden.
Trying to select a candidate based on “electability” is bullshit, because you just end up selecting for the most uninspiring centrist who can’t get people to the polls.
You think you’re selecting for winners, but you’re taking your strongest pieces off the board.
This argument is frequently made on Lemmy. I’d like it to be true. But I just don’t know.
Makes sense in places like California or New York. But I don’t know about places in the Midwest e.g.
“We’ve never tried the inspiring candidate, but without evidence, I must insist that they’re unelectable.”
I mean, we did run the inspiring candidate. Obama. It was a huge success.
Did he turn out to be everything that everyone hoped and dreamed? No. But he energized the hell out of the base and at least the best president of the past few decades.
Exactly. And people were also saying then that we needed to go with the more electable candidate with more experience. That was the exact argument Hillary supporters made during the 2008 primary.
I hear you, but we’ve tried the strategies of the mainstream Democrats and they’ve failed hard.
Hopefully the recent ACA votes taught the Democrats that voting to end the shutdown was a terrible idea and that they should never again compromise with Republicans for mere promises of future consideration.
The Democrats should rally behind AOC and primary all corrupt bastards that enable the Republicans.
If Britain and Mexico can both elect a woman to lead their country, why can’t the US?
Because half of the people who voted in the last election voted for Trump?
So?
why can’t the US?
Because this is a trashcan nation that votes for felon rapist insurrectionist pedophiles…twice.
Most supporters voted for him thrice. Just another old white dude got in the way that one time.
More like a worldwide pandemic got in the way. Biden couldn’t have won without covid.
You’re just doing the left version of American exceptionalism.
Because a solid percentage of the country quite literally wants women barefoot and pregnant, with another solid percentage following along with them because something something taxes something something jerbs.
This is just the woke version of American exceptionalism. Conservatives exist in all countries. Hell, Mexico is famous for its machismo culture.
I think you guys can both be correct here. Just because shitty people are all over the Earth, that does not negate the problems people point out with the US.
I did not see them say or even imply that the US is the only place with sexist conservatives, or that we are the worst in the world about it. It was answering a question about the US too.
I think we all know that there are places in the world that have been far worse for far longer in just about any bad way you can think of. But it’s still pretty noteworthy when the world’s superpower that once saw itself as a diverse melting pot and land of opportunity and democracy goes and elects somebody who literally said on TV that they would be a dictator. And this after that same person already did a horrible bad faith job for all the world to see.
Makes sense in places like California or New York.
California and New York are absolutely fountaining with conservative voters. These states only go blue because conservatives like Diane Feinstein and Gavin Newsom have found it easier to voice conservative policies from a liberal party than to voice liberal policies from a conservative one.
On the flip side, Bush Jr won Texas against Anne Richards by running to her Left and pandering to Hispanics and black voters while she pounded the old Dixiecrat drum on crime and drugs. Shortly thereafter, long time Democrat Rick Perry changed parties, because he decided it was easier to get oil money as a liberal Republican than a conservative Democrat.
Politics in this country is way more complex than people like to give it credit. So much is simply driven by the party with the most money or the most gerrymandered districts. What’s winnable can boil down to whether or not your brother is the governor, not your race or your gender or even your voting record.
Meanwhile a democratic socialist won the mayorship of New York City.
Against a former Dem governor who was backed by a Republican president no less
That complexity sure sounds like corruption!
But realistically, corruption does add to the complexity, lol.
I mean, there was Sanders and look at what the Dems did to him. I don’t think Hillary and Kamala are any better than Biden or Clinton either.
Your line of thinking got us Kerry, Clinton, and Biden.
It got us Biden. I think you underestimate how much institutional support Kerry and Clinton had in the run up to their nominations. Kerry wasn’t even that bad of a candidate on his face. He just got railroaded in Ohio the same way Gore did in Florida, while everyone in national media threw up their hands and proclaimed “Too Liberal!”
And Biden did poorly. It should have been a cakewalk and he barely won. “It got us Biden” isn’t an argument to the utility of timidity.
It should have been a cakewalk and he barely won.
Biden turned out 16M more voters than Hillary Clinton four years earlier. That’s nothing to sneeze at. He still won on the margins, because Donald Trump also turned out an extra 12M voters, with a heavy 1:1 split in the same states Trump narrowly beat Hillary in a year earlier.
I don’t think anything about that suggests the election was a cakewalk. I do think it illustrates the difference direct-mail voting has on overall US turnout. And the fact that both parties immediately retreated from the policy - with Trump even trying to ban it nationwide - says something about the real state of American Democracy both before and after the Pandemic.
2020 is a hard election to judge precisely because it was so fucking weird. COVID cut the knees off Bernie’s primary campaign. Millions of people - particularly the elderly - were dropping dead in the lead up to the election. Misinformation was chronic. The actual elections process (which has always sucked in the US) was extra shady af, particularly in rural districts without modernized voting systems.
But I will say that the Biden pick was a desperation move by conservative Democrats who believed they were losing control of the party. And 2024 was a repeat of this process, with the spectre of Trump 2 forcing progressive voters to choose between Genocide Joe’s last minute replacement and Actual Outright Fascism.
Real “Douche” v “Turd Sandwich” election. But these candidates won almost entirely because of who backed them. Silicon Valley went hard for Biden in 2020 and Trump in 2024.
It should have been a cakewalk because Trump was currently the guy screwing everything up and not improving people’s lives. Incumbency isn’t an advantage for President anymore and Trump (with help from COVID) was doing particularly badly. He had sub-40 approval polls and, before the general election campaign, polls were putting most of the main Democratic options up by 6-8. It wasn’t a cakewalk in the actual election because Biden didn’t run a good campaign.
Biden in 2024 was then the guy to blame for everything going wrong (inflation in this case), with sub-40 approval polls, and was on course to lose before being kicked off the ticket. And Harris made the baffling decision to frame herself as just being a younger Biden.
It should have been a cakewalk
He brought in 74M votes, with a surge in fascist supporters coming from big historical swing states like Pennsylvania, Ohio, and Florida. On what planet was that going to be a cakewalk?
Incumbency isn’t an advantage for President anymore
That’s not true. Incumbency channels money to your campaign. The Biden/Harris warchest was bigger in 2024 than in 2020. It affords you a roadmap based on your prior victory. Harris - like Hillary before her - failed to focus her campaign in the winnable states and squandered manpower chasing red states she had no chance in.
Biden in 2024 was then the guy to blame for everything going wrong
2024 was a great year, economically speaking. The market was up enormously. Unemployment was low. International trade was strong in the wake of the COVID recovery. Business was booming. The inflation was - if anything - a product of the economy running too hot, as demand outstretched supply in a number of retail sectors.
Republicans were happy enough to take credit for this prosperity at the Congressional/Gubernatorial level, then twist in their seats and condemn inflation as a uniquely Presidential sin. Democrats let them get away with it, because they were too busy covering their asses on Israel, backpedaling on the COVID response, and trying to find some kind of middle ground on the fully fabricated “transgender athletes” issue.
2024 was a great year, economically speaking.
And this pants-on-head stupid take was why we lost the election.
Not countering your opponent’s gains is also part of running a bad campaign. The same people who ran his campaign were running Harris’s and making all those dumb mistakes you highlight. Only she didn’t have the “change” label and Trump’s failures at the front of people’s minds to edge her over the line. Biden was heading toward a loss in 2024.
Presidential elections keep going down to the wire and it’s not because Donald Trump is just that talented. These things shouldn’t be being won or lost on the margins. All of the last three candidates have been a lot closer to John Kerry than Barrack Obama.
You are wrong. This is literally the worst time to be offering up a “first time for…” candidate. The stakes are way too high to run that experiment. I love AOC and think she’d be a fine president, but at this time of hate and misogyny, she is too great a risk.
So you’d rather go with a proven losing strategy?
Camila and Hilary both lost, mate. Can’t be any more “losing strategy” than that, mate. Jeebus, but your education system has failed you badly. Personally, I’d try something different.
If she wins the primary she should be the candidate. She probably won’t though, because the dems are going to sandbag her and select a safe corpo pol like the corpse of Chuck Schumer
And how well has your strategy of “don’t rock the boat, don’t try anything new” been working out for you there, buddy? How many elections do we need to lose before you realize that you have crap instincts on what makes a candidate electable? In our current electoral landscape, the quickest way to lose an election is to be stupid enough to pick the “safe” candidate.
I think you may literally be insane. After all, what is insanity but repeating the same action again and again, but expecting a different result?
I think you personally don’t want a woman president, and you’re hiding behind concerns of electability because it’s not socially acceptable on lemjy to be an overt misogynist.
I’m not an American, imbecile. But, like many elsewhere in the world, I have watched the rise of racism and misogyny in the US, and if the Dems do not account for that, they will lose yet again. I think you personally have no clue at all, and that you may be a neurotic republican tradwife. After all, offering useless opinions that are plain wrong, hoping for your dream result whilst actually shooting yourself in the foot, is kinda insane, too. Dems have “rocked the boat” with Camilla and Hilary in 2 of the past 3 elections and LOST, in case you didn’t notice. Read a newspaper, Mrs “Scientist” LOL.
Not sure if you’ve been paying attention but Americans chose a felon rapist insurrectionist pedophile over a more qualified woman the last two times a woman has been on the ballot.
Read the room.
If we run a woman, we will lose. And that doesn’t even take into account that many people who aren’t liberals (independents) do not like AOC because they believe she is too liberal.
This is a tired trope and fewer and fewer people buy it.
Clinton and Harris didn’t loose because they were women, they lost because they ran bad campaigns. Clinton was not particularly sympathetic and many people feel she was given the nomination over Sanders because it was her turn. Harris looked like she had some substance early on and then quickly lost her steam.
Shove this Russian propaganda right back where it came from
You know you’ve lost the argument when you start throwing around slurs.
I am Vladimir Putin himself. And I would like to inform you that that guy is not one of my bots.
Something you would only say if he was one of your bots.
LOL? Get a grip on reality, Cletus!
I’m glad you choose to ignore objective reality and say stupid, bumbling shit instead.
Your teachers would be proud of the critical thinking skills you’ve developed. Keep up the good work.
I fear you are right. And with numbers like this, the Democrats have an uphill battle anyway, with all the rigging and ratfucking that the Republicans do, not to mention the EC system itself.
Some men will simply not vote for a woman, it’s sad, but it’s reality.
Can we all agree that those men are trash? I don’t care what else they’ve got going on, if they refuse to vote for a woman because she’s a woman, they deserve to go into the dumpster.
I’m so sick of all these sacks of shit making the world worse
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Despite your feelings, these are the people voting. If you offer a woman candidate, you will effectively freeze out the misogynistic 30% (approximately, don’t @me ) of the possible vote for that woman, and unless there is a literal Blue tidal wave of historic proportion, she ain’t getting past the post first. It is reality, currently, and I’m sorry your feelings don’t like it. Mine don’t either, but now is not the time for gender equality in the presidency. In this climate, a female candidate will be a liability. Did you not see how the last 2 Dem women candidates performed…?
To be clear, I didn’t insist we run women candidates anyway. That’s a tactical decision I don’t feel qualified to make from the toilet where I make Lemmy posts.
I just want us to agree that those 30% of men or whatever are trash. Because they are trash. Trash that votes, but still trash.
(And not irredeemable - many things that end up in the trash can be fixed or repurposed. People are not immutable.)
I definitely agree.
Oh well, I’m sure they’ve got a white man somewhere who’s about 90 and will keep things just the way they are because to fix things is “undemocratic”.
Or! We can find someone who embodies our socioeconomic values without depending on 150 million misogynistic racists to suddenly see the light. These creatures cannot be reasoned with.
You don’t win elections by appealing to your opponents. Triangulation is a tragic lie.
You don’t win elections by appealing to your opponents.
If there is just one lesson non-Republicans should take from Trump winning two elections, it should be this one!
@duncan_bayne @Zaktor can someone tell Keir Starmer as well
For all practical purposes, 50% of the population cannot be reasoned with. These are rabid animals who must cajoled and manipulated. Hoping they’ll magically not be misogynistic or that they’ll vote in their own best interest for once is a fool’s errand.
50% of the population cannot be reasoned with.
Comes out closer to 27%, but the deck is so heavily stacked with Winner-Take-All elections and election manipulation through voter caging and outright fuckery a la The Brooks Brothers Riot that this cohort is heavily over-represented nationwide.
Hoping they’ll magically not be misogynistic or that they’ll vote in their own best interest for once is a fool’s errand.
The national punditry has so much invested in the superficial identity politics of a candidate, they can’t see whether a given individual is actually likeable. Nobody had Zohran Mamdani as a serious candidate for Mayor this time last year. Nobody had Donald Trump as a serious candidate in 2015. Even Obama’s run was largely considered a token bid for VP in late 2007.
Underestimate candidates like AOC and Rashida Tlaib at your own peril, conservatives.
Those 50%, or 27% will NOT vote for a woman, no matter what. Therefore, a women candidate will be trying to be first past the post with only 50%, or 73%, of the vote available to her, at most. It is far too great a handicap to bear, at a time when losing is not an option. Learn to read the room.
They also won’t vote for any democratic candidate no matter what genitalia they’re sporting. Basing our candidate on them is asinine.
I mean this is just the reality of it. I’m right there with you. Dems tried it twice and we all saw how that went. I told my friend the other day that she will be president someday, just not now. Probably give it another 25-30 years though.
The election isn’t won by getting the most total votes which means getting more than 50%+1 of liberal states isn’t worth anything and losing 1% of swing states loses you the whole thing.
Anyone who is statistically tied with couch fucker is not a great bet
Prolly shouldn’t take betting advice from anyone making that kind of inference based on a poll years away from an election.
You are commenting on an article which is discussing only whether or not AOC could win the presidency years away based entirely on said poll. Are you stupid or did you forget?
It isn’t that hard to suppose that a substantial minority wont vote for a woman, a person of color, or someone they associate with Muslims (she is actually Catholic).
We learned that its fatal to put up someone who inspires people to stay home but it is likely worrisome to tick too many boxes as far as implicit bias. Look what they tried to do to Barrack “Husein” Obama. We are if anything else more divided, more ready to believe lies, more susceptible to bias compared to 2008.
Furthermore Vance is a particularly uninspiring person. He is gross and indeed right up there with Cruz in likeability.
It is absolutely notable that a competent person with a history of actual competence and decency is barely tied with Vance.
Vance won’t be the candidate and everyone knows it but Vance.
I’d bet on Tucker Carlson. 🤢
It’s going to be Donald Trump Jr. They won’t even need to change the hats.
I fear it’ll still be Trump, assuming he’s alive
Is it in any way legal? No. Has that stopped him yet? Also no.
I really want him to think he’s going to run again so that he’ll undermine anyone else that tries to run. And then he can croak or something after ruining the primaries and getting his followers to hate any would be successor.
I’ve stopped being so hopeful. The best I can hope for at this point is President Camacho
He actually listened to the experts.
As we all should.
That was one of the most unbelievable aspects of that movie.
There was like 500 years of people not listening to experts in between. It was bound to happen at some point.
He gets to the debates, then zones out and literally shits his diaper (audibly).
I don’t even think Trump can legally be president today.
And on top of what you said, there’s also the possibility that Trump will be alive but too senile to run.
He can’t legally run. He also has yet to be actually stopped from any of his other actions that are blatantly illegal so there is zero proof that he’ll stop now
No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.
The 14th Amendment doesn’t say that he can’t run. It says that he can’t hold any office. Trump has a “disability” from when he engaged in insurrection by intentionally inciting it, and that disability has not been removed by Congress.
This disability does not require he be convicted of any crime. Instead, the 14th Amendment simply requires that Congress enforce the Amendment:
The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article.
Donald Trump cannot legally hold any office under the United States. He cannot legally be president. The only reason he’s able to act like the president now is that Congress is not enforcing the Constitution.
I wouldn’t be surprised if, at some point in the future, perhaps even after Trump passes away, Congress finally grows some backbone and enforces the amendment, just to try to make up for the embarrassment that Trump causes us, similar to how the Germans would rather not remember that Hitler had been the Chancellor of Germany. Trump might be retroactively declared to have never been the president after January 6, 2021, and I think that would be in line with what is written in the Constitution.
I agree but I don’t think Trump’s body will hold out that long before collapsing from being treated like the dumpster it is.
With Marg as VP?
I greatly fear that if AOC were to run, the terminally online left would pull the rug out from under her.
Any time she’s ever done any action that went not 100% in favor of the delusional mindset of idiots who think single politicians can usher in perfect communism, the TOL screamed bloody murder and withdrew all support and hype.
The same would happen in Nov 2028
AOC didn’t support Gaza and is not communist enough!!! I will protest vote Jill Stein or not vote at all.
- Tankies and oblivious leftists (these people are the reason progressive causes never go anywhere).
Mamdani had not even started his term and has already being cancel by the TOL.
And notice how that was irrelevant to his election and then later opinion polls? Tankies are a tiny sliver of the progressive left. Like my entire real life social circle leans strongly progressive and not a single one even filters through the shadow of a tankie position. People who would literally like Communism to be on the political table still aren’t tankies.
That doesn’t mean progressives are irrelevant, just that ‘tankies’ are used as a Boogeyman by conservative online Democrats to simultaneously explain all their failures while also saying we should keep listening to them when they counsel doing exactly the same thing one more time.
Yeah, I’ve already seen some of the idiots saying she’s a corpo-centrist they wouldn’t vote for.
The perfect candidate will come around for them eventually, and until then- they will arrogantly sit on their smug little entitled asses and watch people suffer while America burns.
They’re every bit as bad a MAGA.
I’m not sure the terminally online left you mention make up a significant enough portion of any electorate to impact the race in this way.
Then they need to stop claiming that their threats make a difference.
Yeah, I have the same fears. These people are probably way more vocal than their numbers, but I do wonder how much they do to sway others.
AOC isnt running for President, they already promised her Schumer’s seat if she backs off for President. Gavin is the Next One Up!
Gavin will lose, so I hope you’re wrong about that.
No, Gavin has a key asset that the last two Democratic losing candidates (who were also the Next Ones Up) lacked…
A penis.
That’s what’s so disgusting and I fear.
Gavin Newsom is pro-Israel, pro-billionaire and pro-blue MAGA while also being anti-universal healthcare, anti-taxing the rich and anti-charisma when left to his own vices.
My sincerest fear is a repeat of the 2020 primaries. Ro Khanna or some other Bernie esc politician will run for the ticket and the left will once again divide themselves into oblivion. Bernie could still have won 2020 if the left didn’t stupidly allow itself to split between Elizabeth Warren, Tulsi Gabbard, and Andrew Yang.
Instead Newsom will win because the left loves defeat and hates unity.
The actual left is almost completely irrelevant to any election
