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    Conservatives in comment sections everywhere: “pssh he’s just kidding, god you libs are so sensitive!”

    Pretty sure those cowardly fucks said if they kept their guns they would step in against tyranny.

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    “I won’t say cancel the election, they should cancel the election because the fake news will say ‘he wants the elections canceled. He’s a dictator.’ They always call me a dictator,”

    Complete melted brain babble

    But even if it’s successful, they don’t win. I don’t know what it is. There’s something psychological, like you vote against,”

    People vote for you on concepts of a plan or don’t vote because they think their life will be the same either way then they actually see what you do they turn out and vote. This isn’t that hard.

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    Not sure what you’re talking about. I’m not a nihilist. I believe in democracy and the rule of law, among many other beliefs and principles.

    On the topic of Trump, I happen to think most Americans are not ready to do what must be done. I don’t believe there is nothing that CAN be done. Do you understand the difference?

    I have hope that there are individual Americans, or institutions, that will push back. But if it’s successful I doubt it will be because Trump followed the law. There’s no indication he cares about the law.

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      He doesn’t.

      The big problem, even if millions of civilians are suddenly ready to fight and pull out their handguns and rifles… The military have tanks, and rockets, and drones that assassinate from thousands of feet up. There’s no way people could fight that.

      He is already packing upper leadership with people loyal to him. You can’t take control of a gov by force without a military backing you.

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      it’s a bit late for that.

      If elections are cancelled so is the entire civic contract.

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        No taxation without represenatation applies here I’d say, yankees pitched a fit about it once before

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        Self imposed hardship is watching your kids die :) It is necessary for democracy to watch your children die

        – Australians

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          You said that, not me. It’s a ridiculous statement too.

          More than a third of you don’t vote, that where the hardship level is.

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            I understand what it means for an american to suffer right now, and that means watching your child die. You are very aware that you lack that understanding at least.

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              Again, you brought the kid in, not me. Don’t use that to make me out something I’m not.

              Americans are fucking unbelievable ay. Palestinian kids, their own, all are fair game for excuses.

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                You lack knowledge in what it means for americans to self impose hardship. Your ignorance is perfectly excusable.

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                  Yeah whatever sunshine. Your opinion; what you demonstrate is your willingness to use children for excuses.

                  You brought kids in, not me. All I said Americans aren’t willing to endure a bit of hardship. That includes going to protests and voting as well. The rest is your cowardly creation.

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    Shitler and the Turd Reich are going to commit as many crimes against the constitution and international law as they can until they are stopped

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    What is this fucking headline. He is not in a position to float changes like this.

    Trump plans on circumventing the law and becoming a forever president king.

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      He is absolutely in a position to change this. It’s become abundantly clear that we’re way too culturally fractured as a nation and will never unify for any single cause. The DOJ is in his back pocket and there is zero chance all 350 million of us can put our differences aside to stop him, especially since a ton of people want this.

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        Well he can’t unilaterally cancel the elections, for example, you know California will hold elections. The question would be whether he gets congress to ignore the results of the midterms.

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          Maybe not cancel in an official capacity, but he could still stop them. He didn’t use official channels to try to stop Joe Biden from becoming president in 2021, he just had his followers use the front door instead.

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      It’s how he normalizes his insane plans without being directly implicit. He starts with the “I’m not saying they should cancel the elections. But if they did… I’m not saying they should do it though. But I mean, it wouldn’t be unheard of.”

      Anyone who has ever worked as a restaurant server knows the old “blame they, not yourself” trick. Forgot to bring out some table’s food, and now they’re upset that it’s taking so long? Don’t apologize for it and take the blame, because that will have them potentially tipping you less. Instead, say “Oh, did they not bring that out? Let me go take care of that real quick.” Now you’ve deflected blame off to some faceless entity, and have put yourself on the customer’s side as someone who wants to help. Your tip won’t be affected, because you’ve positioned yourself as helpful.

      Notice that when Trump floats ideas like this, it’s almost always “they”, not “we”. “They” is a faceless, nebulous entity. It can be anybody or nobody, so placing blame on “they” is a convenient way to float potentially unpopular ideas without putting any individual (or himself) in the crosshairs. If he used “we”, he would naturally be the figurehead for the idea, and any blowback would land on him.

      It’s a message to his followers on what he wants, without directly tying himself to it. And it allows the various talking heads to use it as a springboard to normalize the idea before it is ever implemented. That way when the thing actually happens, his followers have already been primed to accept it.

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        Whenever he says “They say I’m not supposed to talk about X, I’ll get into big trouble, but maybe we should X”, then you know they’re planning to X.

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        Insightful comment, thanks. The frustrating part for me is that the media has a tendency to parrot his talking points without directly challenging them in the same breath. That allows his narrative to take hold (especially when it is backed by other members of the government) and steer popular opinion in his favor.

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      Prove to me that he’s not already a king. He suffers zero consequences and solely controls every aspect of the federal government. He is what a 6 year old thinks the president is.

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        Almost all of his “decrees” get overturned. Most of those decisions get somewhere followed. His people try to operate through loopholes in the laws rather than outright violating them. He wouldn’t be tiptoing around vague legality this much if he were actually a king

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        Oh he is effectively a king (the real burger king), I just wish news articles would call him out without resorting to headlines like this.

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          They never will. Media companies want to get in on the grift and get their cut. Every lawsuit that went to trial has been a blow to that shitheel of a human, but companies keep bendin nthe fucking knee and settling at best.

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        The U.S. Supreme Court somehow handed down a major ruling that stops him from deploying National Guard to American cities… and he’s abiding by it. Is that what a king would do?

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          He’s sending cbp and ice instead. The guard was just a stop gap while the pardoned the future ice recruits. Which scotus allowed until ice was staffed up.

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          The same Supreme Court that gave him license to do whatever he wants without any legal repercussions as long as he calls it presidential affairs?

          That’s a king. He’s a king.

          As an aside by doing this the Supreme Court effectively retroactively exonerated Nixon. The US is a joke.

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              The floor is yours, you can nitpick semantics and discuss esoteric constitutional law, and in the end we will end up at the fact that it protects the President far far outside anything reasonable. It was a sycophantic ruling that was put in place by a corrupt court.

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            You’re conveniently glossing over the fact that kings don’t adhere to any court rulings.

            You know what this is? You just want to feel justified in your nihilism. If he already has absolute control as a king, then nothing can be done and we all might as well give up, right?

            Wrong. The regime hasn’t fully concentrated power, they aren’t invulnerable, and anyone who pretends otherwise is fucking complicit.

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            without any legal repercussions

            He can’t be indicted. That’s not really the same as “without any legal repercussions”. The Supreme Court can stop him, and has on a few occasions. He doesn’t have to be a literal monarch, he’s a fascist pedophile which represents the worst our species has to offer. That’s plenty reason to be rid of him.

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      Who’s gonna stop him? Certainly not the citizens, not the government, and not any foreign country.

      The amount of shit a pedophile in the NSA (Nazi States of America) can get away with is unprecedented. And the Ameri-cunts are too lazy to get off their sofas to do anything.

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        The amount of shit a pedophile in the NSA (Nazi States of America) can get away with is unprecedented.

        This country was founded on genocide, pedophilia is obviously terrible but this entire shit nation is literally predicated on the violent erasure of an entire people. This isn’t new. It’s depraved, it’s a failure of humanity, it’s worth doing everything we can do to stop it, but it’s not new.

        And if you think Americans are lazy, you have obviously never been to America, or at least not spent any time around working class families. Most Americans are extremely overworked. If they do nothing in their limited downtime (when many people also have to raise children), that’s not being “lazy”, that’s being exploited and exhausted. As well as very, very distracted, a little light on the bread but pretty heavy on the circus. Grow some class consciousness or continue spreading the rhetoric of the enemy.

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          They’re lazy. Too lazy to vote.

          Even arseholes have to work to earn money in that country. That isn’t as much of a plug as you think. I know some fucking horrible, horrible people who physically work hard. Only Americans think the desire to do physical work is a virtue.

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            You think voting a Democrat in would’ve made anything better?

            That’s cute. Entirely ignorant of history or American politics, but cute.

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                For Americans? Maybe not, at least not immediately. For Palestinians? Yes, that’s exactly what she said, “no deviation” from Biden’s policies which led to an internationally-recognized genocide. I am not willing to step over piles of dead children to vote to protect my own comfort, as I’ve repeatedly said.

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              You think voting in a Democrat

              You going to tell me it’d be as bad as this? Of course voting Harris in would have made things better. For both Americans and the Palestinians they horribly use to cover their lack of responsibility. But that’s Americans though, isn’t it? They’ll happily let others die for their own feelings and you are no different from the rest.

              ignorant of American politics

              The only way Americans can fix this with the system they have is to vote in such a manner in primaries that elects the progressive they want, then vote for them in the general election. That’s it, there is no other way. Trying to force centrists you help put in because you don’t vote is never, ever going to work. That’s the only way.

              I might be cute. You lack responsibility and use slaughtered people as your scapegoat.

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                You going to tell me it’d be as bad as this?

                For Americans? Maybe not, at least not immediately. For Palestinians? Yes, that’s exactly what she said, “no deviation” from Biden’s policies which led to an internationally-recognized genocide. I am not willing to step over piles of dead children to vote to protect my own comfort, as I’ve repeatedly said.

                The only way Americans can fix this with the system they have is to vote in such a manner in primaries that elects the progressive they want, then vote for them in the general election.

                Yeah that went great with Bernie Sanders, when people clearly supported him so the DNC rigged their primaries to guarantee he lost then had a court declare they were legally within their right to do so.

                You live in a fantasyland. A benevolent fantasy, which is better than the Nazis, but still a fantasy.

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                  For Palestinians

                  Yeah look, you’re using that as your excuse. You don’t care about these people, you helped underwrite their slaughter and you’re using them as an excuse so not only is this redundant, it’s repulsive.

                  that went great with Bernie Sanders

                  It might have if you’d turned out better and that’s one election. One. You need to do that for all of them and had you been doing that from the get go the US would be vastly different from the rest.

                  you live in a fantasyland

                  I live in a decent society because we vote.

                  You can always guarantee tankies will throw the toys from the cot with their childish shit the moment a mirror is lifted. If you’re not a plant, one day you’ll grow up and realise how you helped kill millions of people then used their deaths as reasons to blame others.

                  Anyway, go crawl under your rock please. I’m not engaging with you anymore, I have a football match to watch.

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      He’s not in a position to break the US and International law either, but here we are…

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    Omg, I think the most eerie thing about this whole thing has been how perfectly all of this was predicted.

    If it was a tv show I would say it’s lazy writing.

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        That’s a funny way to say: associated herself strongly with the genocide president and said how we were going to have the most lethal military in the world.

        But sure it was the laugh.

        Edit: liberals so insanely scratched below.

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          So did Trump.

          The choice was: Harris, Trump, or no vote. At this point, not voting was synonymous with paving the road for Trump.

          So, whatever it was that made people choose Trump over Harris, or not voting over Harris, was either a deliberate Trump choice, or a pride issue.

          “No, I refuse to vote against fascism because the other option doesn’t really align with my views on the world”

          Fuck. Off.

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            Absolutely this. Were the candidates ideal? No. Was the system ideal? Heck no. But they are blaming the system and quality of candidates for a choice they chose to make. They can swallow all of trump’s dick.

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              But they are blaming the system and quality of candidates for a choice they chose to make.

              The DNC openly rigged primaries against Bernie Sanders and in favor of Hillary Clinton, then had a court declare they were within their legal right to do so.

              America is failing. There’s populist fervor to see that change. Bernie offered a left-wing solution that would negatively impact the interests of the capitalist ruling class who control both political parties. The Democrats made sure that the nascent left-wing movement would die, as is their primary function within the American Empire.

              But the populist fervor didn’t die, because the lives of Americans are still getting worse. The Democrats were fundamentally unable to seize upon that fervor, but Trump wasn’t. And unlike left-wing populism, right-wing populism doesn’t meaningfully threaten capitalism, so it was allowed to happen.

              If you can understand all of that and claim people still shouldn’t blame “the system”, then your cognitive dissonance is showing.

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                I acknowledged the system was not ideal. If you can’t understand the threat trump representa to the country’s interest, even 9 years in, and especially if you chose to sit it out, or voted for trump in 2024, your cognitive dissonance is showing. Enjoy the next few years. Fix the system? Sure. But own your choice first, is all I’m saying.

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                  Why would I possibly care about protecting a genocidal empire’s interests?

                  In 2016, I voted for Jill Stein. I did not regret that vote because I had not endorsed evil.

                  In 2020, I voted for Joe Biden. I massively regretted allowing their “lesser evil” manipulation to con me into signing my name to endorse the modern-day holocaust.

                  In 2024, I voted for Jill Stein. I did not regret that vote because I had not endorsed evil.

                  And before you come back with the typical liberal “but she was at a dinner table with Putin!”, idgaf when you’re endorsing politicians openly owned by Netanyahu. Both war criminals, but only one recognized genocidaire. You liberals love that “lesser evil” game, don’t you?

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            No, not voting is not voting, and the democrats in power are just polite fascists.

            You will never have me vote in the affirmative for a genocide, and plenty of others agree. Maybe demand the bare fucking minimum from your representatives.

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              Not voting has consequences, too. In this case, the consequence was allowing a fascist piece of shit to get the highest office in your declining country.

              Your problem is, too, pride. Too proud to vote for someone who doesn’t represent you, even if it means you get a fascist regime who will cause, and has caused, so much more pain than the other choice would have.

              Your choice to not vote contributed to that. That is a fact.

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                I voted PSL actually.

                Also you don’t know this is the lesser pain option, a second time line is conveniently imaginary.

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                  Also you don’t know this is the lesser pain option, a second time line is conveniently imaginary.

                  Oh, please.

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            The problem wasn’t Harris. Was the repeated cycle of “vote for us or they will come”. It was the same with Biden and Hillary. Had the Dems go with a valid candidate and not a finger appointed glass of temperate water that only was more of the same shit, Trump wouldn’t have stand a chance.

            Every time the “vote for us or else” threat is used it loses strength, because the “vote for us” part is only “we keep the things just as they are now”. And the way to stop Trump and people like Trump is changing things so massively that they can’t retaliate with some bullshit message. Because every time someone like Trump or a little less deranged takes power steers the politic table to the right as much as possible. And the solution can’t be “let’s not move the table”. MOVE THE FUCKING TABLE TO THE LEFT! The right and far right is gonna insult you for being in power, no matter what you do. So go full throttle and do things for the people and go as far as you can.

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              I agree with the sentiment and the source of this cycle of fascism, but the solution was not to let it happen.

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                “I agree that liberals paved way to the rise of fascism, but the solution was to vote for them anyway. Then I could’ve expressed half-hearted dismay at all the dead brown children on my feed, but maintained comfort in knowing that it ultimately would not effect me.”

                You reap what you sow. Welcome to brunch.

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                Let’s say Harris had won. Who’ll be next? An even softer Democrat? Against Trump or JD Vance or Miller or …? It’s either change things or let the fascist change them.

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            The choice was: Harris, Trump, or no vote.

            Rephrased: the choice was endorsing genocide, endorsing genocide, or not endorsing genocide.

            I’m happy with the choice I made, and disgusted that you’re willing to sign your name off to endorse piles of dead children to protect your own privilege and comfort.

            If supporting a holocaust is the price of protecting America, then the price is too high and we should refuse to pay it regardless of what comes next.

            Not to mention that the Harris campaign’s internal polling revealed they never had her polling higher than Trump. They knew she had no chance of winning, and pressed on with her word-salad anyway. The Democrats could’ve run someone like Bernie (who is also a lame liberal Zionist) and won easily, even at his age. But they can’t do that, because their primary function in the empire is to kill emergent left-wing revolutionary movements.

            You’re defending the enemy and the system which produced these consequences you’re ostensibly so appalled by.

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                Ad hominem with no actual counterpoints

                This is why we call you people Blue MAGA

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                  The counterpoints are you used the Palestinian tragedy as an excuse for your laziness and lack of responsibility.

                  That you and others not voting elected Trump and made things worse for the people whose back you rode on with your shitty opinion and lack of national duty. They’re an excuse you use to cover your spinelessness and laziness.

                  You voted to worsen that genocide, not help it. You’re the reason it occurred, you were played and the Palestinians paid with their life to play grubs like you.

                  Hang your head in shame, both for using Palestinians as your excuse and for letting your countrymen down.

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              There was going to be a supporter of genocide in the office in any case. You had the choice between a supporter of genocide, and a supporter of genocide with a fascist program. You chose the high road and got the worst outcome.

              Your issue was pride.

              Thank you for perfectly illustrating my point.

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                If you call refusing to sign my name to endorse genocide “pride”, then absolutely I am prideful as all fuck and will wear that badge proudly.

                Your issue was cowardice. Maintaining your own comfort is more important than making even the most pithy stand.

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                  Oh yes, by not voting you sacrificed so much of your comfort. You made such a worthy stand.

                  You have achieved nothing else than enabling Trump. And you don’t even realise it.

                  The Trump campaign counted on people like you to win. You served them well.

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              Here we go. Funny how the Gaza news cycle dropped the past year. It’s almost like it’s a non issue now that the election cycle is over.

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                Hasn’t dropped for me. Don’t care what the corporate media is doing or saying. Why would I?

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          I, too, fail to see any difference between a verbal gaffe while not actually being in command, and a 4 year track record as the head of govt with a demonstrated propensity to spur insurrection, rape, conflict of interest and carrying out stated threats against political and international opponents, oh, and he did say he wanted Israel to have at it in Gaza, evict the Palestinians, try for a third term, and destroy the environment.

          I must be a dumbass. Maybe I’ll sit out the most important election in my lifetime, next time. Duh.

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            She was tripping over herself to say she was just like Biden, throating Liz Cheney, and saying we will have “the most lethal military” while her administration starves bombs and starves a population of mostly refugee children. Telling her base to shut up and let her talk.

            Why aren’t you angry at her for being dogshit?

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              Who’s saying I’m not angry at her? She never had an administration. She was vice president, and nobody talks about pence. I’m saying compared to trump, who actually has a track record of fascist atrocities as commander in chief, she’s a fucking saint! Trump said he’d deport gazans and let Israel have it’s way with them. He is a convicted rapist and impeached felon. Yet here we are…

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          If it was about genocide, trump wouldn’t have won. She should have been better, no question. However, she was less leaning towards genocide in Gaza than he was. So if that was the decider it was vote her or third party or nobody, yet rump still got 70million odd votes.

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            If it was about genocide, trump wouldn’t have won.

            That makes no sense. Polls confirm Republicans care far less about the genocide than independents and Democrats. You need to appeal to your base to win.

            However, she was less leaning towards genocide in Gaza than he was

            She literally promised no deviation from Biden’s policies regarding Israel. Are you familiar with the story of the man with down syndrome who spoke his first and last words - “Habibi, please stop” - to a Zionazi attack dog who mauled him before they left him to die from his injuries, alone in his home? That’s what Harris promised no deviation from. If you expect people to vote for that, your soul is compromised.

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              Yes, you need to appeal to your base to win. However, if voters are choosing between two candidates with almost identical positions on a topic, that’s not the deciding topic in that election.

              Maybe it should have been, but it wasn’t. If those against genocide really cared about it as their single issuez they would have still voted Harris, who promised nonchangez as opposed to trump who said he’d let Israel do whatever they want.

              It’s a fallacious argument.

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                If those against genocide really cared about it as their single issuez they would have still voted Harris, who promised nonchangez as opposed to trump who said he’d let Israel do whatever they want.

                …Those are the same thing. Biden also let Israel do whatever they want.

                I am against genocide so I do not vote for genocide. A truly mind-boggling approach.

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                  But you still got genocide. Just now you have it with a side of fascist rule instead of without. Hope you’re not melanated and near a border.

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              If you’ve read the news this past year, no doubt you’ld be aware trump is doing what he said he’d do, and also did his first term. Good job! She wasn’t in charge when she made those statements. Trump IS.

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                Was she in charge of her own mouth when she promised no deviation from Biden’s policy of also letting Israel do whatever they want?

                You’re defending an avowed genocidaire. Evaluate what led you here.

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      they’re nazis doing nazi shit they want to do, it’s not a fucking distraction. it’s not fucking 4d chess. this is what they want. they’d be doing this even if they weren’t pedos. they’ve not even ever really tried that hard to hide that they’re pedos. the epstein files won’t bring them down even if they’re all released unredacted. you’re distracting yourself with what you think is the final all-powerful gotcha in our back pocket that will stop them through courts - which it won’t - while they’re starting their campaign for total world domination.

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        Thank you. I’m getting tired of the “this is all a distraction from the Epstein files” rethoric.

        “Fascism rising is just a distraction from the Epstein files!”

        No, it’s not. If anything, the Epstein files are just a distraction from fascism rising.