Samsung has apologized and will send engineers over the Chuseok break.
Yeah? Will those Samsung engineers also replace my spoiled food? Of course not, shame on me for buying an AI fridge I guess
Fuckers
If I bought an AI Fridge and this happened, I would most certainly immediately decide and accept “This is the direct consequence of my choices. This is my fault. I had this coming. I deserve this.”
What can an AI do for our fridge? I asked myself as I swiped my credit card for a multi thousand dollar purchase. Surely it must do something. Surely this must be an improvement on a dumb box that keeps things cold. I want to talk to my dumb box that keeps things cold, this is certainly a good idea.
If I ever find myself in a stable living environment, I think I’ll just buy a couple of cheap chest freezers and set one of them as a fridge.
Never buy Samsung appliances.
I mean, you bought an AI fridge. That’s on you.
an 2-3k AI fridge at that.
I hope for $3000 it has a digital clock on the door. I mean, what’s the point in living if my fridge isn’t an alarm clock?
There are more clocks in my kitchen than in any room in the house. It’s the only room I’m never quite sure of the time in.
AI FREAKING FRIDGES!
“Engaging lock as per your command of maximum 4 snacks per day”
Did my stairmaster talk to my fridge?
What is the benifit of AI in devices like fridges, washing machines and dish washers? We’ve had these devices for years now, even a 40 year old machine works flawlessly, just uses a bit excessive power. A fridge needs to cool, a washing machine needs to clean. They don’t need to do anything else, and they did this perfectly when we didn’t have AI.
So to my understanding, AI implemented into these machines is just a way to make it more expensive to buy, adds the option for a subscription for constant income acting as a paywall, gives the opportunity to hoard loads of data from the customers and makes it easy to brick the device just after warranty so people buy more of your devices.
TL:DR:
- Manufacturer benefits: 4
- Consumer benefits: -4
It’s part of a social model that needs everyone to work, even if said work has negative value.
We as a species have the resources to create a leisure society for all.
Instead we are trying to make conscious fridges that can’t freeze things.
Boy Lois, this is worse than the time the AI fridge called me a fatass.
I’ve spent 20 days waiting for a part from China to (hopefully) repair my 18 year old very basic fridge because I refuse to get some stupid fucking touchscreen internet connected advertising box.
I fucking hate the modern world.
You can sill get “dumb” appliances.
its pretty easy to get a fridge still without a touch screen. The 1st two pages on costco here (I didn’t go further) don’t have one.
even fridges within the last 10-15 years are crappy. only the ones from early 2000s, or pre-2000 last a long time.
There were a ton of crappy fridges from back then, too. It’s just that most of them have already died.
The difference is almost ALL appliances built today are designed to die around the time the warranty expires. And, yes, I realize that’s been a trope for a long time, but now it’s far more true than it used to be. It used to be a joke, because it happened rarely, now it’s not a joke because it happens often.
Twenty years from now, there won’t be any appliances built today, still running.
This isn’t survivorship bias. The internet taught us that term specifically to excuse enshittification.
I blame Gilfoyle. Fucking Gilfoyle.
Humans are doomed if they need AI in a freaking fridge!
I have smart lights that can be controlled over the internet.
If the internet connection goes down, I can also control them locally.
If the local network fails, I have physical light switches.All smart devices should fail into a safe and functional mode when the smart features inevitably stop working. It seems Samsung doesn’t subscribe to that philosophy.
All smart devices should fail into a safe and functional mode when the smart features inevitably stop working.
I’m horrified that you could possibly advocate for allowing the consumer to have any real control of their own devices. Have you considered the security implications of not requiring devices to be 100% dependent on the manufacturer’s server? Users might be able to use the device without first installing the company’s app! The user might be able to use the device without the company knowing about it and selling that data for additional profit or using it to train it’s AI.
Of course not. Failing into a safe and functional mode doesn’t get people to buy more fridges
Somehow, a billionaire will swear up and down that what you’re saying is beyond cost efficient as he donates his parent’s legacy and graves to his AI idol statues.
Let’s add internet to every device that exists, and have the devices depend on internet connection.
and just today i was joking with a friend about a theoretical shitty llm-powered microwave with no buttons
quite ironic
That exists. Well, guess it has buttons too
A refrigerator should never need an update. Smart appliances are the stupidest shit I ever heard of. A refrigerator should not need anything but an outlet and maybe a water connection.
look, i wouldn’t mind a dashboad where i could see when the dishwasher was run, that the rinse fluid is low, the temperature in the fridge ans freezer over time, how many times the ice machine refilled, when the AC on…
smart devices could have been cool.
what we got was the ability for the power company to turn of my fridge, requiring a broken app to run cycles on a dishwasher, and spying for no benefit in every device.
The idea has promise and i hold a small glimmer of hope for home assistant. But, like so many things companies did not give anyone what they wanted.
One of the reasons techies are burning out is because they are tired of seeing the promise of a new tech and watching it be used to enable surveillance.
For a fridge the functionality as an appliance shouldn’t be linked to the functionality as a device with a web browser. Ice bucket low? Sensor sends signal to app, fine. But the fridge doesn’t need to know that; it can keep using the float switch or whatever it used to before “smart”. Temperature tracking same thing - bolt a sensor and hook it to the app, but don’t use that app and sensor to control the fridge.
But to build an ecosystem like that you’d need a developer, you can’t just slop together an app, have you thought about the cost? And the shareholders!!
A lot of people using Home Assistant make some of those things happen.
I do too. But most commercial appliance integrations are hacks, and having missing featurea or dont really work most of the time. Many times I suspect skirting very close to violating TOS too.
HA is great if you have matter or zigbee or zwave. Probably even some of the proprietary in building protocols too. But these one off cloud commercial systems honestly suck in my experience.
I’ve run a household for 20 years and never needed anything like this
Need != could be useful
What would be really cool is if a fridge kept track of how fresh everything was, and alerted users when food spoiled, or was about to spoil, or on track to spoil given how seldom it was consumed.
I can’t tell you how many times yogurt or sour cream has gone bad in my fridge because everyone forgets it’s in there.
Also, detecting ice buildup and consequently adjusting humidity or water flow to the ice maker etc
i doubt it can tell that things are spoiling or moldy, decomposition, spoiling is a complex process, and may look normal ont eh surface but actually went bad if you "smell taste it.
More likely would be a system that uses cameras to see what you put in, alongside a program to identify what type of item it is, and a record of its estimated time of spoiling. Say you put in a pack of bagels, and the fridge deduces it is a new pack because you haven’t recently taken bagels out. The fridge estimates they will probably last 1-2 weeks. Then depending on how much they are removed and put back in, it might throw a reminder on the screen “bagels still good?” etc
In the UK barcodes are getting replaced with qr codes that include everything from best by to ingredients and allergens. A system could easily use that and you just scan the qr code when you put it in the fridge
Give me a washer, dryer and dishwasher that send my phone an alerr when they finish please.
With home assistant we usually monitor a smart plug: instant power goes above x value -> cycle has started, power goes (close) to zero for x time -> cycle has ended, send notification. In my case I raise a flag value that reminds me periodically to unload the machine until I confirm that I’ve done it
I just set a timer
Doesn’t work for washers and dryers that use sensors to tell when the clothes are clean/dry.
Thankfully, my set is “connected” in that you can connect to it to see status updates and adjust notification volume, but everything else is manual.
My fridge also has monitoring, and tells you if the inside temperature goes outside range. It also lets you toggle the ice maker, notify you when it’s full and adjust temperature of the three compartments. I can see that last one triggering something similar to Samsung’s gaffe if a firmware update hard locked the temperatures to negative values or something.
I didn’t know they made those without timers. Mine have those sensors too. I use the time setting.
Those sensors don’t work anyway. Just do it by time.
Those sensors don’t work anyway
Mine does… Both my washer and dryer will take longer or shorter of the alloted timer based on how actually “done” the wash is.
A 20 minute cycle on my dryer might end up finishing after 12 minutes. So it turns off.
And then you have to run it again because that sensor has a very different definition of what “extra dry” means than the rest of the world.
I recently had to buy all new kitchen appliances. They are machines, as simple as is available. I do admit the fridge does have digital controls, and they’re kinda nice.
Agreed. The idea of reminders that I bought something in particular and should eat it before it goes bad is an appealing one. This seems like the opposite of that, though.
Honestly, this is not outside of possibility. My 3d printer does more complicated metrics. I’d be willing to bet we’d be able to do aftermarket mods for that if anyone was willing to DIY these days.
not as bad as those people buying a SMART MATRESS.
Oh hell no
That’s nothing. We had to install a firmware update on a chef’s knife! 🤣
Why the fuck do you even own that?
I know right? Yet people buy them.
Like SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world
What odious turd buys an AI fridge??
Someone who finds the concept of seeing the milk getting low and adding to the shopping list manually themselves too baffling.
