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    I don’t know what’s funnier about this comment section… The people who seem to absolutely despise milk, or the big milk shills downvoting them all into oblivion.

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      “Big milk shills” aka normal people who happen to lime milk…

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        Lime milk is where i draw the line. Gtfo here with that abomination of dairy

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        normal people

        Drinking cows milk is normalized for most people, yes. But normal is a strange word for artificially inseminating another species, getting them pregnant, killing their baby, stealing their mothers milk then killing her way before she gets old. When you could just blend some oats.

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          We live in a world where there are animals that take the place of other animals’ tongue; where insects farm other insects; where parasites live in the skin of animals and different animals eat them, forming a symbiotic relationship; where predators often kill for fun.

          Normal is the right word.

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            Ok that’s a solid rebuttal around the “is it normal” argument. I’m personally still of the mindset that it’s “normal but wrong”. I wish we’d stop using normal to mean “good” and stick with it meaning “popular”. Statistics!

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            Normal, natural and necessary are the three N’s of Carnism. Also:

            Vegan Bullshit Bingo #1:
            Lions eat meat too

            Yes, animals kill in the wild - to survive. We humans are, as opposed to predators or parasites, omnivores. We know how to grow crops, vegetables, etc. and cultivate fields. We have a choice, a conscience and we have ethics. Are you identifying with the intelligence and life situation of that of a lion or a tongue parasite? Do you also commonly ask yourself “What would a tongue parasite do in my place right now”? Are lions that kill newborns of other lions, for example, really good role models?

            Vegan Bullshit Bingo #54
            Well, humans just are on top of the food chain.

            Shouldn’t you take responsibility in the role of the stronger and be considerate with your power? Just because you can do something, doesn’t mean you have to. Otherwise you could maltreat children, handicapped people and all other physically disabled people for fun. Of course we don’t do that because it would be immoral. Why should this moral understanding suddenly no longer apply to other species? Wouldn’t we also wish for mercy and compassion if tomorrow a species superior to us colonized the earth?

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          Oh, by “blending some oats” you mean: We sow out unnatural cloned mutant seed, then we spray it with literal poison over and over again to kill every plant and animal that isn’t cloned mutant seed, we add growing agent that kills most nearby water organisms, then we harvest it, remove all of the healthy parts and grind down only the unhealthy fatty part. Next, we add tons of god knows what chemicals to achieve a consistency oats were never meant to have. Lastly, we add tons of highly industrialized suggar and lab grown taste chemicals so that our chemical cocktail doesn’t taste like complete garbage.

          See, two can play that game…

          We artificially inseminate because it’s healthier for the cows and more convenient. They would be pregnant just as often or even more in a natural herd. There is (almost) no baby killing going on. I don’t know who told you that garbage. There’s also no milk “stealing”. Modern cow breeds give way more milk than is required to feed the calf. In fact, most cows would get an udder infection if not molken regularly (and no, this isn’t just a problem for high performance cows).

          You’ve never been even close to a real dairy farm and it shows!

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            I’ve looked at the USDA data about veal, and to my recollection it was less than 3% of calves that became veal

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                  An example of what people accept as normal:

                  In 2020, 4.9 million dairy calves were born in New Zealand. Exact numbers are not collected on the outcome of each calf, but NZ dairy industry lobby organisation DairyNZ estimate that of those:

                  2 million (40%) were bobby calves, who are killed around a week after birth.

                  1.4 million (28%) were female cows kept by dairy farmers to replace the 20-30% of older cows who will be slaughtered every year when they are no longer deemed productive.

                  1.3 million (27%) were raised to maturity for beef. Beef animals are generally slaughtered when they reach maturity at around one and half years old.

                  196,000 (4%) were born dead or die shortly after birth.

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            You are right, I buy organic as often as I can to not support the spraying of poison. And I usually eat whole grains, as you suggested, as it is much healthier.

            we add tons of god knows what chemicals

            This ticks #9 of the Vegan Bullshit Bingo. I’m from Europe and our basic organic oatmilk comes with stuff made from algue, seeds and plant oils. This is used everywhere in foodprocessing. Look it up, no dangerous “chemicals” to be found. There are brands that add sugar and artificial flavor, sure. Udders milk has about 5% sugar (lactose) and oat milk usually doesn’t transcends this.

            There is (almost) no baby killing going on

            Half of the newborns are male and killed for veal, no? And the females get to be raised, milked and killed after a couple of years, so McDonald’s can sell you cheap beef burgers.

            most cows would get an udder infection if not molken regularly

            Vegan Bullshit Bingo #17: Cows need to be milked
            We did that to them by breeding them like that. That’s Bullshit Bingo #32.

            Also, of you don’t want to grow so much oat and soy because it destroys ecosystems and rainforests (#2), don’t feed animals, feed people! We’re losing like 80% of the calories by giving it to cows. Here is a graph from the BBC

            I live like 200 meters away from a dairy farm, no shit. :)

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              https://www.frontiersin.org/journals/veterinary-science/articles/10.3389/fvets.2023.1178279/full

              https://www.mpi.govt.nz/dmsdocument/65274-Mortality-rates-in-young-calves-in-the-2023-spring-calving-season/

              It’s 1% in every credible source I found. I don’t know where you got your garbage from. But then again, you’re using Vegan Bullshit Bingo, which is sponsored by and quotes the known terrorist organization Peta. So, it’s save to say that nothing you said is even remotely true.

              Oh, and BTW vegan Bullshit Bingo #17 is also a complete lie! I work with Allgäuer Braunview, one of the most natural cow breeds out there. They still suffer from udder infections when not milked. In the wild this is mittigated by calves, but it can still be a problem when the calf dies.

              Edit: Good god, I finally found out where the heck this 40% number comes from. This is a problem EXCLUSIVE to New Zealand! In every other part of the world, the vast majority of calves is raised till adulthood!

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              soy … destroys ecosystems and rainforests (#2), don’t feed animals, feed people!

              the vast majority ( over 80% ) of soy is pressed for oil. the byproduct of that process is called soycake or soy meal, and it would be industrial waste if we didn’t feed it to livestock. that’s a conservation of resources.

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                  I don’t know where you got your stats, but according to the fao 17% of the weight of the global soy crop becomes oil, but a soybean is only about 20% oil in total. that means some 85% of the crop is pressed for oil. that byproduct being fed to livestock is a benefit.

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    I’ve always thought the trope was based on the idea of stunted development. Kids are heavily encouraged to drink milk, so films making a point of adults drinking it are indicating that there’s some part of growing up that they’ve missed.

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      It’s also not made for adults, it’s literally baby food for mamals.
      While some parts of the world have been drinking it out of necessity to survive (in colder climate) most of the world haven’t developed a lactose tolerancy.
      Adult milk drinkers are indeed freaks.

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        Yet several cultures across the world developed means to drink milk and eat cheese. The mongols’ fermentation process allows them to eat and drink despite being lactose intolerant, not to mention they make kumis from mare milk

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          Actually lots of the plant parts we eat did evolve being eaten as part of the survival plan. Fruits disperse seeds and keep us less interested in eating more vital parts of the plant.

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            Not particularly by us, the same as milk didn’t evolve to be particularly drunk by humans

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              “Not particularly by us” OK then not particularly by anything by that logic, as we’re very much included in the wide range of animals who’s dietary needs have conditioned the evolution of fruit-based seed dispersal. Fact of the matter is we’ve been eating and pooping out seeds for the entire existence of our species and likely the entire existence of our mammalian lineage. We did evolve to eat fruit and they did evolve to be eaten by us.

              We evolved to benefit from our own milk, too. Though only for the first year or so of life.

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            It’s actually really easy, you put them in a blender with water and then squeeze them in a cheesecloth so the proteins come out. And you can make crackers with the dried leftovers.

            But oat milk > almond milk and for that you do unfortunately have to milk thousands of tiny little oat titties.

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          It wasn’t meant as any sort of insult, more of the trope of overanalizing innocuous things.

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            I was considering just not replying to this but I decided that this mindset makes me too sad.

            If an artist decides to include something in their work, it is likely going to be relevant in some way.

            To use the stupid meme example of “the curtains were fucking blue” your teacher wasn’t telling you that blue curtains = sadness, they were telling you to think critically about what the writer chose to include in the text.

            “The curtains were fucking blue” can be a valid interpretation, but the issue is when people stop their thinking at that surface level and ridicule any deeper analysis of a work.

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    Is a hit of calcium and vitamin d when needed tho

    I’d see smoking a cigar in a non smoking section and blowing it in someone’s face as more a telling sign of evil arrogance.

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        Don’t fornicate the smokers.
        That’s exactly why they smoke.
        They expect you to inhale their exhaled dirt and then go and fornicate them.

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        Where would one smoke? Should one instead permanently smoke damage the homes for the British aesthetic? Why not smoke outside where nature helps to cleanse and utilize proactively.

        Does less damage than a car on a 5 minute trip, but that’s only the rest of the modern world. It benefits the slothful.

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          “are you saying i should damage my home when i can just damage the environment and everyone around me and make it everyone else’s problem instead?”

          yes. deal with your own shit, or if you don’t want to, don’t smoke.

          and your argument about cars is invalid on multiple fronts. first of all having worse things doesn’t make anything okay. you can’t punch someone out of nowhere and when called out on it say “well murders are more damaging so if anything I’m pretty chill”. second of all I’m anti car as well and would ban all cars except public transport and emergency services if i had the say. fuck cars. but fuck smokers more. at least there’s an imposed necessity for cars due to flawed infrastructure.

          there’s not only zero necessity for smoking but also no benefits and no redeeming qualities. I’d much prefer it if you were addicted to heroin because you can’t do it all the time everywhere and there’s no such thing as second hand shooting heroin.

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            How is me damaging a home that I rent in order to damage other’s experience a better solution than just you know, using the carbon cycles that exist at a tangible rate?

            Cars are a pollutant, the only ouright negative of smoking is pollution of lungs. However as you prefer heroin, maybe you are just outright wrong.

            Other than that, ashes are good for the earth. If you use a filter then that’s pollution, I don’t.

            Zero necessity is in my opinion wrong. I don’t need these, but they historically and traditionally have been used as both heat sources in the cold. Meditative guides and casual incenses are just smoking but without even any outright pleasure.

            Then again, you sound like a child of modernity and have not seen the aeons before you. You use the name pyre and know not the meaning. Hate for the smoke of which you would dispel.

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              “I’m just polluting lungs” is a wild defense lol

              the garbage you smoke has nothing to do with incenses. also you can light a fire without all the extra toxic shit in a cigarette so the heat source claim is ridiculous.

              love the poetry about fucking smoking though. it’s almost like you don’t smell like an absolute dumpster everywhere you go.

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                You smoke cigs?

                With all the potentiality, you limit your capability to something so processed and far from it’s conception.

                I absolutely hinted against the notion by mentioning filters. It is all poison.

                No it is not a wild defense, and the thing you keep saying about smell is due to people who smoke inside. That literally is the consequence. However, you are too dense to understand consequences, liability, or any form of tangibility of nature.

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          it doesn’t just pollute, it stinks and the stink sticks to you and everyone around you. also smokers litter because they’re selfish pricks.

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            If I had a nickel for every cigarette butt I’ve had to clean up off the ground at work, I’d be able to retire. Smokers are some of the most inconsiderate people out there.

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      The Dude buy it just for the White Russian.

      Pretty sure in 2025 he would use soy-milk 😁

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        vodka and milk is not a valid recipe for a white russian. idk what the hell the dude thinks he’s drinking but it’s definitely not that.

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              I’ve never seen someone drink half & half the way people drink milk. Like just a straight glass of half & half.

              It is used almost exclusively as a substitute for heavy cream in recipes, so my mind considers it cream.

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                  50/50. Half cream, half whole milk… But the few times I’ve tasted it on its own, it is much closer to cream imo

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          I don’t remeber what a White Russian should be made of from my bartender years, but if it was cream, well I stay with the Dude.

          At one point you’ve to prioritize your calories.

          Kahlua - necessary Vodka - necessary Cream??? > Milk

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          The Dude is both chill, and poor. Not everyone has coffee liqueur and creamer money. He makes do with what’s around and he’s happy about it.

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            Coffee liqueur is super easy to make. Cheap vodka, super strong coffee and a vanilla bean. Let it sit for a month. You can add glycerin if you want to increase the viscosity, but not needed for white russians.

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          That’s cause you’re young.

          When you get to the 50s you can’t use cream, bur you doesn’t stop to like white russian

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        only one of these could be called a hero.

        leon is at BEST a very dark shade of morally gray as a former child soldier who was raised to be a hitman by the mob.

        and the dude is just the dude. he just wanted his damn rug back.

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          The opening narration confirms that the Dude is in fact, not a hero (emphasis mine):

          […] I only mention it because sometimes there’s a man… I won’t say a hero, 'cause, what’s a hero? But sometimes, there’s a man. And I’m talkin’ about the Dude here. Sometimes, there’s a man, well, he’s the man for his time and place. He fits right in there. And that’s the Dude, in Los Angeles. And even if he’s a lazy man - and the Dude was most certainly that. Quite possibly the laziest in Los Angeles County, which would place him high in the runnin’ for laziest worldwide. But sometimes there’s a man, sometimes, there’s a man. Aw. I lost my train of thought here. But… aw, hell. I’ve done introduced him enough.

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          Leon is a hitman, but he’s also probably learning disabled. He rescued a girl from the mob.

          The Dude is just a guy who likes bowling, but he’s pretty cool and that’s enough for me.

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    I still drink/love/crave milk, but have long-since graduated to half-and-half. Heavy cream in my pure keto phase was arguably crossing the line.

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    Meanwhile, hard liquor and alcohol are supposed to mean that you are normal and the good guy.

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    Clearly Cows have finally infiltrated our media, this is unmistakably a Bovine Psyop Astroturfing Operation.

    I for one welcome their utter dominance.