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Freedom of Speech != Obligation to Listen
Yeah and it goes both ways. She can post her crap, and haters can hate. She can ignore them and they choose not to ignore her. That’s where the conflict comes in.
The whole DMCA thing only made it worse. She exposed herself as a target for hatred and the haters love nothing more than for the enemy to expose their glowing weak point to shoot at.
But that’s because if we want copyright and parody to coexist, they need to have limits. Parody gets a blanket license to reuse source material endlessly unless you can justify the expense of an attorney to hit a moving target that may be made from hundreds of individuals mocking your content. That’s kind of shitty and almost impossible to defend against. It’s like how you can’t copyright a tweet because it is too short. But you should be able to copyright a body of tweets because aggregated they are (checks notes) not too short. In her case the bonehurtingjuice community turned into an active troll campaign to target every one of her comics to harass and demean her.
So in this case I do think the internet trolls on bhj were shitheads and were in the wrong. Even if that coexists with my opinion that her comics kind of suck. And frankly I think the current legal system is at fault for not having adapted to coordinated trolling. She’s probably going to get killed by one of those gamergate nutjobs now that she’s been doxxed.
The issue with doxxing that really frustrates me as a coder is that individual developers and companies are never held responsible for making negligently insecure software.
Why did you tag NSFW
I’ve never blocked anyone. 14 years of reddit and now Lemmy and there has never been a reason to. I find it weird when people do it.
I get it if someone is harrasing you, but an anonymous disagreement? Meh, whatever. If I am done I just quit responding and move on.
I suppose being online since the 80’s gives you a little bit of perspective. Don’t feed the trolls, everyone is a liar, and nothing anyone says matters unless you want it to.
And never use social media.
I block people liberally. I agree 100% with the comic. And blocking idiots is good for my health.
I have seen people have some obnoxious weird idea about one thing and be brilliant about another. Not everyone, some are just trolls, but some people are really. Good at something interesting and have stupid ideas about others.
I am not so quick to just write everyone off, but I also find it easy to just not read things I don’t care about.
pizzacake has been critical of alt-right chuds, and as such, is a target of harassment…
you can just move on, this person is being followed… big differences.
trolls will latch onto people and dox and harass them for years… blocking early and often is a good idea.I get that this is a specific experience. It just made me think about how so many people go for the block button on silly sites like this one…
how would you know that unless you get blocked a lot on “silly” sites like this? if it’s so silly, why are you wasting your time on it?
There’s a couple I’ve blocked, because they’re simply incapable of having any type of discussion unless you’re rabidly in agreement with them, and they immediately turn to insulting anyone who disagrees.
Yeah, same here. I just don’t see the need to block people. Some might have a different opinion on one topic than me, but be no in agreement or have something worthwile to say on another.
If I was activly harassed or anything, I’d use the block function to protect myself from that. Never had to do that so far.
If you never had to block anyone, you might be in a more lucky spot. Just because you don’t have or see a problem, does not mean the problem does not exist. Just a reminder.
It’s the same as with racism, for example. If you’re not part of a minority, or hide it well enough, you don’t see the racism.
Or so I’ve heard. I’m also in a lucky spot.
I’m like @AugustWest@lemm.ee on the no-blocking-ever front.
None of us want Lemmy to be a Nazi bar, right? So if we see a Nazi on here and all of us block them today, they can circlejerk in a comment tomorrow and a newly registered user will see no one downvoted them or called them out.*
As a privileged person, I feel an obligation not to block anyone, and even feel I’m abdicating my duty a little by not browsing logged out sometimes to make sure Nazis can’t block me and spread hate without counterpoints lodged against them.
*would a “widely-blocked user” tag help? Not if they create a new account after every other post, & scummy users could mitigate by proactively blocking using “SJW user” lists, but it’s an idea
The only weirdo I know that blocks people left and right is one that signs every comment with a “no AI license” thingy. Anyone that correctly comments how that’s useless/pointless because bots ignore that is blocked
Anybody who immediatelly starts insulting others gets blocked.
I’m not interested in watching somebody’s public self-masturbation shows: insulting others achieves nothing but give those doing the insulting the pleasure of thinking that they’re hurting others - it won’t convince the person they’re replying to and it won’t convince the audience (since an insult is as much an argument for a viewpoint as a punching somebody’s face), so directly insulting random strangers is only for the pleasure of those doing it.
Further, people whose default reaction to disagreeing with others is to try and hurt them don’t really deserve any of my time.
Being deep down in an argument, losing one’s patience and ending up throwing insults is one thing, just being obnoxious and insulting from the get go is something else altogether and betrays a very different kind of character, one that there is no point in listening to.
I guess I just don’t read it. It’s that simple.
You have to read some of it until you get to the insults and mentally go “Oh, it’s one of those”, unless you have a mental list of usernames for those people in Lemmy (in all fairness, they’re very few) or use an interface were you can tag users and see the tags (but tagging or blocking is about the same amount of work).
I had a long time on Reddit also and I haven’t ever blocked anyone either. But I have blocked subreddits and communities here.
I got some of the stalinist people like cowbee blocked because they are extremely annoying.
Some people make it clear that their ideas are not worth entering my head.
That’s when they get the easy-block.
So I’m fully expecting a big reaction given how much of a reaction this comic always provokes, I’m not a huge fan of pizzacake’s art style or the whole negativity around it but I also haven’t found a way to just filter it out without blocking the whole instance. I’m not attacking anyone though, you keep on enjoying this if you like, I’m just putting my thoughts out and I might just be missing an option.
Honestly I’ve come around on pizzacake. I now think it’s actually an impressive artistic feat to make a successful webcomic where your secondary main character is consistently a non-existent strawman.
It’s like social commentary on social commentary, wrapped in countless layers of irony and meta, right?
Every time I see this comic I think “you totally had a confrontation you fumbled, then came up with a response a week later and made a comic to ‘own’ someone”.
You’re onto something here
I also just generally like the Mary Sue nature of drawing yourself into your own comics and making yourself look good under all circumstances. It really communicates a lack of narcissism and arrogance.
I like how you sarcasm.
your secondary main character is consistently a non-existent strawman
Y’all gonna pretend the person in the comic isn’t real? I’ve seen comments of that exact nature discussing people who block others before bruh, find a legitimate comic to post this on next time
That’s fair criticism. In the comic at hand, you’re right, they’re not a non-existent strawman, as this strawman does exist. The apt critique for this specific comic is more about how blaringly obvious the conclusion that is being presented as revelatory is, so I shouldn’t have used the word “non-existent” in this specific critique. Very fair, cheers.
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Well, same way Stormtroopers wear helmets. You can’t really individualize them or people start to appreciate them and root for them, like they do every villain.
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You will notice that it was not pizzacake that posted this.
Also I think we need a reset if we’re at the point where critiquing and criticizing media is suddenly “being butthurt.”
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Pot/Kettle much? You haven’t even engaged with my criticism, since I never once have called pizzacake’s comics either “crazy” or “irrelevant” or any synonym thereof; if anything they’re too pedestrian and “low-hanging fruit,” the exact opposite of those critiques.
And you see, this right here is why some of us don’t want pizzacake’s bullshit here; it is seemingly impossible for people to engage with criticism of them honestly, for some unknown reason.
I have never once sought out a pizzacake comic to shit on. I have never once criticized pizzacake for anything outside the content of the art she has personally entered into the public square or her conduct in relation to said art. All I have ever done is engage with the art brought into the public square for consideration. This is c/comicstrips, not c/comicstripsycophantry, ostensibly a community for the discussion and consideration of this media form, not just a place for empty yes-manning.
So as for you, feel free to take your own advice and just block me if you find my content distasteful, but as for your assertion, you can kindly fuck right off with that.
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You aren’t even using that term right; I’m not asking for you to engage me in shit, nor am I feigning civility as I’ve been pretty clearly aggressive in my stance and told you to fuck off. Again, enormous pot/kettle projection. But hey, I’ll save us both the trouble and do the blocking for you. 👍
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Why is this nsfw?
I was really hoping that these terrible PizzaCake comics would stay on reddit. Every single one of her comics is like this. There’s no punchline. It’s just self-righteous whining one way or another. Her whole shtick on reddit is angering people in the comments and then making a comic about them. Literally every single comic. I’ve got a few thousand webcomics saved and none by her for a reason.
Edit: Actually, this comic kind of perfectly sums up everything I hate about her. She’s denying the dude a platform by… essentially giving him a platform. “You don’t bother me so much that I made a whole comic about you and how you don’t bother me and I don’t owe you anything.” It’s performative for the sake of attention. There’s no content to this, just narcissism.
As a leftist, as a progressive, I long for a world where I never have to see these comics again. It’s not that I disagree with them, they’re just so goddamn annoying and low hanging fruit shit
If some rando did this exact scenario in ragemaker and posted it, with no connection to pizzacake, everyone would be talking about how relatable it is. I’d wager you’d be included in that ‘everyone’.
And then if that rando did it every day for like five years, I’d get tired of their shit too.
except the situation you’re describing is not happening.
Well that’s kind of the point. It’s low hanging fruit because everyone agrees with it. No one thinks you are obligated to argue with others, which is the straw man’s position. It’s not that you don’t have a right to block critics, the question is “When is it a good idea?”.
It sounds like a lot of people think the author does it too liberally, which can lead to an echo chamber. Most people would say creating a lawsuit against your critics is also an overreaction, but people have also been saying she gets harassed a lot. That makes it more reasonable if true.
So downvote and move on. The moaning about her is even more dull and repetitive.
“droll and repetitive” is some serious projection my apparently terminally online friend. I’ve never heard of this artist before in my life
Droll means amusing. You might have meant dull instead
Yeah, that’d be autocorrect.
It’s been fascinating seeing this platform slowly turn against Pizzacake as more of her stuff gets posted.
I block people who use insults and name-calling instead of conversation. Don’t need that shit.
Nobody is changing their mind from modern debates online. We are in a culture of anti-intellectualism. So there really is no point. I only block if someone is annoying or there is no point in engagement.
The irony of THIS comic is, you could apply that argument to every single opinion in existence.
I wish blocking also prevented them from viewing my posts
Sometimes, the only winning move is not to play.
I’ll block anybody I see posting ai crap regularly. I want to see as little of that garbage as possible.
it’s annoying when power users contribute 90% quality content and 10% slop
