• finitebanjo@lemmy.world
    9·
    11 hours ago

    The power that repels the vampire is supposedly god, which is supposedly stronger than the US Gov (citation needed) meaning no.

    However a good question is what exactly is a home and does it need to be sanctified? Can a Vampire enter a graveyard blessed by a cardinal when a groundskeeper lives on the far side?

  • Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works
    192·
    15 hours ago

    Must be dumb friends. The answer is no.

    A warrant isn’t permission from the owner, or anyone inside the house.

    • pyre@lemmy.world
      9·
      14 hours ago

      but it’s a cop so likely won’t be following the rules even for a vampire

    • BambiDiego@lemmy.world
      2·
      12 hours ago

      What if you’re renting? What if the house was appropriated? What if there’s a land dispute? What if the land was appropriated? What if it fall under imminent domain? What if it’s split ownership? What if there’s a dissociative personality involved?

      There’s so much to be straight up dismissive as “they’re dumb friends”.

      [In the US] A warrant is permission from the representative of a governmental entity that is ultimately in charge of the land and could legally take it from you, so if theydo take it from you, do you still own it? Even if you can’t get it back? By that logic does the US own any of the land, since it was first the land of a different peoples?

      • michaelmrose@lemmy.worldEnglish
        3·
        12 hours ago

        Ability to seize isn’t the act of seizure nor by that definition is any land owned because most everything has been taken by force at some point.

        Renting wouldn’t change anything unless they got permission from the owner.

    • WoodScientist@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
      21·
      11 hours ago

      But what is ownership? Ownership is the society-recognized right to the exclusive use of property. But society establishes certain limitations on those rights, including requirements to allow the lawful access by law enforcement to the property.

      You intrinsically give law enforcement permission to access property if they have a warrant. It’s just part of the bargain of land ownership.

    • sunflowercowboy@feddit.orgEnglish
      11·
      12 hours ago

      Actually the answer is yes, you mention ownership as a key thing for your logic. Hence ownership is transferred to owners, managers of managers, bosses of bosses, etc. Hence yes they would be allowed.

      You however misunderstand the implications of vampires. Vampires are essentially a criticism of the old who have lived to long, grown withered and cold. Husks of man with no life or soul left to gleam joy.

      However they still don the mask of man and must weave within society. They are bound to be polite as they are not to arouse alarm, the alarm will be the corpse they leave behind. The youth they have sapped and the decrepit infection he has implanted.

      Come on man, seems like an obvious metaphor for old men being polite and exploiting young women for the sake of ‘new blood’ or allusions to virginity. The yes is not about ownership, it is about concent.

  • Ragallos@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
    8·
    13 hours ago

    My wife asked me this just this week! I said that it would depend on how far the vampire is ‘removed’ from vampires “tradition”. As in, if they were a more recent conversion, maybe more archaic methods like legalistic language wouldn’t be enough and a vampire cop could enter with just a warrant. But I think an older vampire-cop who would be more bound by whatever lore suits the trespassing curse/stigma, would still be unable to enter your home without your express permission. Its about domain, not so much ownership.

  • Phegan@lemmy.world
    14·
    16 hours ago

    A vampire police officer would have to abide by both rules. They would need a warrant and an invite. A warrant is legal permission, but not an invite.

  • Semester3383@lemmy.worldEnglish
    93·
    15 hours ago

    Yes, a vampire could enter with a warrant, whether or not you invited him in. The state ultimately ‘owns’ your property; if it didn’t, then it couldn’t kick you out and seize it if you don’t pay property taxes. So therefore the state has the authority to give a vampire the right to enter your dwelling. (But what if the warrant was illegally issued, and so the vampire didn’t have actual permission to enter? Hmmmm.) Similarly, if you rented an apartment, your landlord could give a vampire permission to enter for a valid reason, e.g., the vampire worked maintenance, and you had a water leak that was damaging another apartment and needed immediate access.

    • PugJesus@lemmy.worldOPEnglish
      7·
      15 hours ago

      But what if the warrant was illegally issued, and so the vampire didn’t have actual permission to enter? Hmmmm.

      Vampires make better cops than real ones?!

      • starman2112@sh.itjust.works
        1·
        11 hours ago

        It’s not about ability to tax, it’s about ability to sieze. If the government didn’t own your land, then taking it without your permission would be theft. Since it isn’t theft if they take your land without your permission, it stands to reason that they own it. You don’t own the property, you own a piece of paper saying you’re allowed to live and build there.

        • michaelmrose@lemmy.worldEnglish
          1·
          11 hours ago

          If I own something I can put it to any lawful use without restriction or compensation. Neither taxation nor seizure for failure to pay taxes are anything like ownership.

          Your mental picture fails to encompass the nuance which indeed isn’t particularly subtle.

          • starman2112@sh.itjust.works
            1·
            10 hours ago

            “If I own something I can put it to any lawful use without restriction or compensation.”

            This also applies to my rental property, because it would be unlawful for me to use it in a way that violates my lease. If someone else gets to tell you what you can and can’t do with your property, is it really your property? Whether that’s because you signed a contract saying “I won’t grow pot here,” or you live in a region where local authorities can simply declare that you aren’t allowed to grow pot there, I don’t see the meaningful distinction. Of course, the concept of ownership is an ill-defined social construct to begin with, so this kind of disagreement is irreconcilable. We simply have different ideas of what defines “ownership.”

            As such, whether a vampire cop can enter your property using a warrant depends on whether the vampire understands it to be permission. QED

  • Manalith@midwest.social
    2·
    15 hours ago

    I sent this to my friend group and got the response that if you pay taxes, they can enter with the warrant alone.

  • reev@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
    531·
    1 day ago

    Y’all this one is simple.

    Legally, yes.

    Physically (for supernatural reasons), no.

  • Randomdude@lemm.ee
    985·
    2 days ago

    No a vampire requires permission from some1 inside the house it could be any1 in the house not just the owner. A warrent give legal permission to enter but its from outside the house thus making it useless for a vampire to enter with alone.